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Old 06-09-2014, 06:47 AM   #61
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Ok listen up Entaowed,

Foreman gave us his account of the suspected drugging by Sadler in his book.
Dick Sadler immediately joined up with camp Ali after the fight. Then Ali would only rematch Foreman if he took back Sadler.

That doesnt prove anything. But it is suspicious. You wont acknowledge that.

So stop trying to sound high and mighty. Youre not some debate professor. Youre just a douche.
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Old 06-09-2014, 06:51 AM   #62
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Foreman is full of sh*t, he really is.

It was everyones fault, except his own.

To prove how mentally weak Foreman was, just watch his 'exhibition' vs 5 guys in one night, its apparent without a shadow of a doubt that Foreman was mentally screwed after rumble in the jungle and Ali would have played with him in a rematch.

Didnt George quit after losing to Young?

My belief has always been, Foreman was mentally screwed after Ali, he never really recovered and the Young loss pushed him over the edge and so he quit and used the 'i found god' excuse. It took him years to get over this and i believe thats what gave him the courage, determination and mental strength in his second career, it was almost like Foremans way of making it up to himself for what happened in his first career and righting the wrongs.

Hence why he wore the same shorts against Michael Moorer that he did against Ali
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Old 06-09-2014, 07:03 AM   #63
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I dont know either way what happened. But i will say that Foreman did look slugglish as shit in that fight. And, no it wasnt just Alis superior footwork that made him look bad. Something wasnt quite right with him physically. Cant prove it but it looked that way.
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Old 06-09-2014, 07:04 AM   #64
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I dont know either way what happened. But i will say that Foreman did look slugglish as shit in that fight. And, no it wasnt just Alis superior footwork that made him look bad. Something wasnt quite right with him physically. Cant prove it but it looked that way.
Did Young drug Foreman too?
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Old 06-09-2014, 07:57 AM   #65
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Just saw a good interview "Ali in Newcastle"a old crook approached him before the foreman fight and showed him a method to cheat ali refused any help,the same man worked in Listons corner a decade before vs ali
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Old 06-09-2014, 08:28 AM   #66
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All circumstances and characters point to Ali being full of shit and Foreman being the truthful party of course. There just isn't any proof, hence it's speculation. But he did look drugged in that fight and Ali was a cheat, so was Dundee. I don't need a slide rule to make the connections.
If anything, Foremans known to be full of shit and not to be trusted with anything he says
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Old 06-09-2014, 08:47 AM   #67
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If by drugged you mean eating stinging jabs and stiff straight rights then..yes
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Old 06-09-2014, 12:04 PM   #68
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If by drugged you mean eating stinging jabs and stiff straight rights then..yes

And George scored quite a few of those in Zaire !
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Old 06-09-2014, 12:20 PM   #69
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Foreman has a million excuses for why Ali kicked his ass. He didnt fight any different than he did against Frazier, or Norton, or Lyle, or Young. The difference is that Ali's unique combination of toughness, speed, skill, and mental dexterity were far too much for Foreman. He owned Foreman. More than any other fighter he fought with the possible exception of Liston (who Foreman idolized) Foreman was made to order for Ali.
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Old 06-09-2014, 12:36 PM   #70
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"Excuses are for losers."--Vince Lombardi

Foreman joins the other drugged losers,

Jeffries against Johnson. Dempsey against Tunney.

I heard Dempsey claim he was drugged against Tunney in 1926 on the radio back in the sixties. If I remember right, it was almost exactly the same story. The strange tasting water or drink, a feeling of tiredness, etc.
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Old 06-09-2014, 12:42 PM   #71
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George Foreman vs Muhammad Ali has more conspiracy theories than the disappearance of Jimmy Hoffa.
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Old 06-09-2014, 01:43 PM   #72
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I like the "I was about to knock Ali out but got distracted by my disloyal friend in the audience" excuse more than the drugging one.
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Old 06-09-2014, 07:28 PM   #73
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George Foreman vs Muhammad Ali has more conspiracy theories than the disappearance of Jimmy Hoffa.
It's only 100 years since Jimmy went missing.
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Old 06-09-2014, 10:41 PM   #74
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Ok listen up Entaowed,

Foreman gave us his account of the suspected drugging by Sadler in his book.
Dick Sadler immediately joined up with camp Ali after the fight. Then Ali would only rematch Foreman if he took back Sadler.

That doesnt prove anything. But it is suspicious. You wont acknowledge that.

So stop trying to sound high and mighty. Youre not some debate professor. Youre just a douche.

So of everything I wrote, you tried a small engagement, then when that did not work, backed off & what you have is a SINGLE thing where you assume my answer?

Forget all that you ignored & that clearly you know you have a juvenile over-identification with Foreman. And make those he fought out as all "bad" without respecting whjere the truth lies. Also fuhgettibout (sic) that FOREMAN does not even remotely agree with you about Ali.

Since you seem to need to hang your hat on one trivial point.

Now about that. Again, ASK if I find that suspicious. Though you admitted it proves nothing.

IF this happened as you stated, it sound prima fascia suspicious.

I will keep an open mind, but you do your case no favors by being so extremely biased.

Now you do not know if I am a debate Professor. I am not by trade, but you do not even content most of what I say.

And are you conscious enough of your own tactics to understand that I said nothing unprincipled or out of line, but that you calling me a "douche" is a personal attack that on some level must hope to bring me down to your level, thus I lose the high ground & you can feel better about yourself?

No, I am not "triggered" by your primitive attempt at bullying.

I also am immune to hating or mocking you.
Consider whether you want to live, even anonymously, on the level of the lower common denominators in this forum. Is this good for even you?

Ultimately it is not important who was better & academic what exactly happened, though hopefully justice is served.

How we treat people & what we do psychologically using our heros or imagined enemies, whether Ali, Foreman, or another poster, matters.
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Old 06-09-2014, 10:51 PM   #75
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Your self satisfied attitude amuses me.
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