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Old 12-18-2012, 05:08 PM   #31
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Looks like we have another boxrec expert.Opinion by numbers.
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Old 12-18-2012, 05:09 PM   #32
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Per boxrec. The second peak is the 1950s era

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The years aren't listed, when exactly were the first and second peaks? 30's and 50's?
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Old 12-18-2012, 05:10 PM   #33
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95% of the boxers he faced were bums, and that's being generous.
Bums back then were far better than ones today,matter fact far better they actually worked much harder & earned every cent.That being said 95% You're stretching it he's got tons of great & solid fighters in his resume.Fought/beat about 20+ champions & 10 H.O.F.S. He's considered the greatest ever & being elite for so long in Boxing Golden era proves it even more.
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Old 12-18-2012, 05:11 PM   #34
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The years aren't listed, when exactly were the first and second peaks? 30's and 50's?
Yes (but more like 25-35 and 45-55's). The red are the actual documented bouts, the black dots are estimations of the true amount, as lost records continue to be found (and applied)

1850s: 7
1860s: 54
1870s : 298
1880s: 4,150
1890s: 14,459
1900s: 29,596
1910s: 76,724
1920s: 220,784
1930s: 222,433
1940s: 184,987
1950s: 145,819
1960s: 97,965
1970s: 98,789
1980s: 128,534
1990s: 138,491
2000s: 182,858
2010s: 42,950
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Old 12-18-2012, 05:11 PM   #35
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You talked about saturation of participating athletes. I'm guessing you don't know a thing about statistics anyway so I wouldn't bother
I talked about a field saturated with talented boxers. Your chart doesn't distinguish.
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Old 12-18-2012, 05:13 PM   #36
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Memo Ayon is GOAT.
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Old 12-18-2012, 05:14 PM   #37
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I talked about a field saturated with talented boxers. Your chart doesn't distinguish.
Yes, which stems from the participation rate. As I suspected, you couldn't statistically make the connection.
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Old 12-18-2012, 05:15 PM   #38
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Yes. The red are the actual documented bouts, the black dots are estimations of the true amount, as lost records continue to be found (and applied)

1850s: 7
1860s: 54
1870s : 298
1880s: 4,150
1890s: 14,459
1900s: 29,596
1910s: 76,724
1920s: 220,784
1930s: 222,433
1940s: 184,987
1950s: 145,819
1960s: 97,965
1970s: 98,789
1980s: 128,534
1990s: 138,491
2000s: 182,858
2010s: 42,950
Awesome thanks. I have always thought the MW division from 1932-42 was the strongest era ever.
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Old 12-18-2012, 05:16 PM   #39
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Old 12-18-2012, 05:17 PM   #40
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1) New sport, not a big enough pool to choose from
2) If 29/8 is journeyman, what's 50/24 (one of Robinson's opponents)? Henderson was a journeyman (like Sonnen used to be). He's improved immensely.

Also; Anderson Silva and Fedor have incredibly padded records.
The sports been around since the early 90's and now has a huge following since early 2000's. 29/8 is a journeymen's record, Henderson is supposed to be a p4p ATG in the sport.. this is Silva's best opponent.. yet they say Silva and fedor are considered the greatest ever.. You have people like former WWE Champion Brock The Next Big Thing Lesnar who are 2-0 and win world titles. You talk about boxing yet look at how shitty the UFC is. GSP 23-2.. greatest Welterweight of all time and top 5 ATG..
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Old 12-18-2012, 05:17 PM   #41
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Yes, which stems from the participation rate. As I suspected, you couldn't statistically make the connection.


No, it doesn't.

More participants != higher percentage of quality boxers.
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Old 12-18-2012, 05:18 PM   #42
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Memo Ayon is GOAT.
So who do you REALLY think is the greatest of all time?
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The sports been around since the early 90's and now has a huge following since early 2000's. 29/8 is a journeymen's record, Henderson is supposed to be a p4p ATG in the sport.. this is Silva's best opponent.. yet they say Silva and fedor are considered the greatest ever.. You have people like former WWE Champion Brock The Next Big Thing Lesnar who are 2-0 and win world titles. You talk about boxing yet look at how shitty the UFC is. GSP 23-2.. greatest Welterweight of all time and top 5 ATG..
You dodged my question. If 29/8 is journeyman, what is 50/24? And....go!

I acknowledged that Silva and Fedor's records are both padded, so your point is moot. Thanks for trying. I don't make excuses on either side. Consistency; try it some time.
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Old 12-18-2012, 05:19 PM   #44
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Convenient excuse. Whenever a boxing favorite gets beaten (exposed), his fans will insist that he was out of his prime and never would've lost if the fight took place between a certain time period that they come up with.
My guess, I, is youre a young man basing your opinion soley on BoxRec. True?

What's your opinion of Fritzie Zivic, who's acknowledged to be a legend, 'n lost 65 times? Why is he thought so highly of by the best boxing minds in the game?

Before you demean Ray Robinson ('n publicly look foolish), go to a hard core gym and speak to veteran trainers and get their opinions (or don't they qualify?)
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Old 12-18-2012, 05:19 PM   #45
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The only man who holds gavilans losses against him is a man who hasn't watched the fight.

The only man who thinks srr has a padded record is a man who needs banning.

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