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Old 12-18-2012, 05:21 PM   #46
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Awesome thanks. I have always thought the MW division from 1932-42 was the strongest era ever.
no prob. it's also a decent benchmark on the ebb and flow of the talent pool and you can make inferences out of it as well.

For example, contrary to popular opinion, boxing is not dying (like as it has been claimed to be since its genesis), in fact the talent pool is growing (but slightly biased toward the modern era due to more streamlined record keeping, which is why the black dots are closer to the colored chart as it gets closer to today)
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Old 12-18-2012, 05:21 PM   #47
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My guess, I, is youre a young man basing your opinion soley on BoxRec. True?

What's your opinion of Fritzie Zivic, who's acknowledged to be a legend, 'n lost 65 times? Why is he thought so highly of by the best boxing minds in the game?

Before you demean Ray Robinson ('n publicly look foolish), go to a hard core gym and speak to veteran trainers and get their opinions (or don't they qualify?)
Arturo Gatti is a legend. He's not the GOAT.
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Old 12-18-2012, 05:21 PM   #48
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I guess the FelixTrinidad alt has done his job, 4 pages already.
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Old 12-18-2012, 05:22 PM   #49
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My guess, I, is youre a young man basing your opinion soley on BoxRec. True?
The answer is that the 'best boxing minds' are geriatric farts that cling to past glory.
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Old 12-18-2012, 05:22 PM   #50
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Trolling is a lost art.

Relentless could show you a thing or two young one.
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Old 12-18-2012, 05:24 PM   #51
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Trolling is a lost art.

Relentless could show you a thing or two young one.
I find that the term 'troll' is often misused. Arbitrary use of the word 'troll' just cheapens its meaning, in my opinion.
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Old 12-18-2012, 05:26 PM   #52
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Why does the question keep getting evaded?

If you don't consider Robinson to be the greatest of all time, then who is most fitting for that honorary title and why? Answer genuinely, please.
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Old 12-18-2012, 05:26 PM   #53
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Trololol.
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Old 12-18-2012, 05:27 PM   #54
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you should be banned for some shit like that how the **** are you a boxing fan?
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Old 12-18-2012, 05:28 PM   #55
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Arturo Gatti is a legend. He's not the GOAT.
You haven't answered my question, I. Is your opinion of SRR based on BoxRec alone?

You remind me of the blind man who grabs 'n elephant's tail and says: "This must be a snake"
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Notice MVC's gone inactive lately then this troll popped out?
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Old 12-18-2012, 05:30 PM   #57
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no prob. it's also a decent benchmark on the ebb and flow of the talent pool and you can make inferences out of it as well.

For example, contrary to popular opinion, boxing is not dying (like as it has been claimed to be since its genesis), in fact the talent pool is growing (but slightly biased toward the modern era due to more streamlined record keeping, which is why the black dots are closer to the colored chart as it gets closer to today)
Where is 1915-25 on the chart, is it that huge drop off that is less than twice below the 30's and 50's or is it on same peak as the 30's? I think the quality of boxers was alot higher in from 1915 building through to 1930 than it was in the 50's, MW division included, alot more talent rich.
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You haven't answered my question, I. Is your opinion of SRR based on BoxRec alone?

You remind me of the blind man who grabs 'n elephant's tail and says: "This must be a snake"
Because it's a red herring.

The logic you used is that of a retard. Legend != goat.
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Old 12-18-2012, 05:32 PM   #59
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you should be banned for some shit like that how the **** are you a boxing fan?
I should be banned for a difference of opinion that falls outside the mainstream view? Typical goon boxing purist response.
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Old 12-18-2012, 05:33 PM   #60
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You dodged my question. If 29/8 is journeyman, what is 50/24? And....go!

I acknowledged that Silva and Fedor's records are both padded, so your point is moot. Thanks for trying. I don't make excuses on either side. Consistency; try it some time.
Not sure what point you're trying to make. Which one of SRR's best wins had a 50-24 record? Robinson beat 10 hall of famers..
Lamotta 83-19 during the end of his career
Angott 99-28 during the end of his career
Henry Armstrong 150-21 during the end of his career, considered 2nd best ATG fighter
Kid Gavilan 108-30 during the end of his career
Rocky Graziano 67-10 during end of his career
Turpin 66-8 during end of his career
I can go on.. but you get my point.. While Silva's best win is Henderson.. whose 29-8 and considered the best he's looked in a long time.
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