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Old 03-02-2013, 07:21 PM   #106
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Well Cortez retired...not sure who else is really similar. Nobody really stands out as a break-them-up kind of ref, unless I'm mistaken. Bayless' voice kind of comes to mind, "Nonononono! Don't punch!", but I'm usually satisfied with the work he does.
Jay Nady is a guy who doesn't allow much if any inside fighting.
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Old 03-02-2013, 07:25 PM   #107
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Great points so far. Activity isn't something I mentioned, but I suppose if he can control the center, Guerrero should try to maximize the extent to which he lets his hands go.
Activity only bothers Floyd when he can't set his feet to retaliate(Jesus Chavez, Oscar). Floyd's style, especially at his advanced age, is almost entirely reliant on the opponent coming to him to be most effective. Guerreo stands straight up, is slow, and his stance is way too square. He's just too damn hittable. Floyd is going to need to get really old, really fast. the version that fought Ortiz could probably knock him out.
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Old 03-02-2013, 07:40 PM   #108
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Doubt it. But I know for sure Floyd will be jabbing way more than usual with his dad in the corner.
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Old 03-02-2013, 07:41 PM   #109
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Fight long, pop the jab, stay on the move, mix it up, don't brawl.

guerrero should brawl, but if he is in, than he should punch relentlessly. not get punch 1,2 and than pause and get caught by floyds counter. robert should go in, unleash like 5-7 punches, than beat floyd with his own fire, meaning, after unleashing, crab and hold, so there is no room for counter punches. and at least 1-2 punches from a 5-7 combo will find his target and score points to ultimatly win rounds.
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Old 03-03-2013, 01:57 AM   #110
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Activity only bothers Floyd when he can't set his feet to retaliate(Jesus Chavez, Oscar). Floyd's style, especially at his advanced age, is almost entirely reliant on the opponent coming to him to be most effective. Guerreo stands straight up, is slow, and his stance is way too square. He's just too damn hittable. Floyd is going to need to get really old, really fast. the version that fought Ortiz could probably knock him out.
His stiffness standing straight up is an issue. But Guerrero can hang back, then catch Floyd as he tries to pull back and let his hands go. Being frugal some points, and throwing in volume in others. Do you think Floyd will get visibly older?
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Old 05-02-2013, 11:14 PM   #111
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Some GIF's to illustrate some further points:

Here, what caught my eye was that Guerrero was conscious about getting lead foot positioning, and was able to lift his foot up over Berto's without taking his eyes off the target. Ward did this against Dawson while moving to his left, maybe it's a Bay Area thing. In any case, it's a good thing for him to do as he gets into range. Not only does it set up the left hand, it takes away the angle for the right hand. Although obviously Floyd knows when to duck and when to lean back and roll much better than Berto does.

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Here, Berto lands a solid right by stepping in with it and widening his stance to land it. Floyd used this set-up against Ortiz and landed solid with it. Although Floyd is a much sharper puncher, it's worth noting that Berto is very heavy handed and Guerrero was still able to recover and circle out and close the distance with his lead foot outside again.

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Guerrero would have to be careful trying this type of left hand shot. Although it's the obvious pathway for a left to follow in the Philly Shell, Floyd often times side-steps to his right to catch that left on the shoulder when backing up. We've only ever seen him play pure counter-puncher against Ortiz, and even then he mixed up walking him down behind a high guard. Floyd wants to be more defensively sound, but will hanging back give Guerrero more or less opportunities to land than if he stood his ground to land his lefts + rights?

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Looping the left hand is key for a fighter that ducks towards their rear hand. Here, Berto blocks the straight shot, but is unprepared for the looping shot. Again, Floyd's footwork is much smarter than Berto's, but he does often duck down below the waist to avoid a shot on the back-foot. The overhand left is a key punch.

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One thing I noticed in exchanges in the Berto fight, along with the Aydin fight, is that Guerrero is quite good at lowering his head and making himself small while rolling with shots and coming back. The switch from shot to shot while slipping is a good habit to have on the inside. Even as Berto displaces his movement, Guerrero doesn't make the mistake of leaning forward into a void pocket where Berto could tee off. Although against the ropes, Berto was able to bump with the shoulder and get his right uppercuts off (if anyone has a gif of that please share.)

I recommended that Guerrero switch between hanging on the back-foot and using ambush tactics, but if he gets Floyd cornered and feels confident staying in the pocket for a bit to maul, then this is a very good skill to be able to employ for avoiding counters while throwing.

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I would not advise him anything because he's going to get his ass kicked in this fight anyway. Guerrero isn't in the same leaque as Floyd so there's no way he can beat him. It's a mismatch!

But if I have to do so, I would suggest him to see the doctor immediately after he gets beat up badly in this fight.

This is just the second fight of his at 147. He's not used to be hit by bigger guys at this weight class, and Floyd hits very hard. You know that.
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Old 05-03-2013, 12:11 AM   #113
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I'd advise him to make body punching his main priority, the reason Cotto did well against mayweather was because he wasn't always wasting energy headhunting like most seem to do against floyd.

Rewatching it now in hindsight Cotto got in some really good bodywork on floyd which slowed floyd down.

But Guerrero is no Cotto I expect the ghost to be beaten to the punch the whole fight and just not be fast enough to catch mayweather much.

Probably going to play out like floyd vs marquez I am leaning towards a mayweather late rounds tko though with Guerrero's face a bloody mess.
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Old 05-03-2013, 12:22 AM   #114
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I would not advise him anything because he's going to get his ass kicked in this fight anyway. Guerrero isn't in the same leaque as Floyd so there's no way he can beat him. It's a mismatch!

But if I have to do so, I would suggest him to see the doctor immediately after he gets beat up badly in this fight.

This is just the second fight of his at 147. He's not used to be hit by bigger guys at this weight class, and Floyd hits very hard. You know that.
It's his third. And I don't think you'd make a very good coach

"Yeah, you're not good enough. Let's get some burgers and call it a night. We'll show up, collect, and have the doctor waiting in the back. Don't worry. We can always buy you a new face."
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Old 05-03-2013, 12:25 AM   #115
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I would tell him he needs to take advantage of anything he does better than Mayweather. Okay, let's see Mayweather has more speed, better boxing, better defense, more power, and everything else, uhhhh well Guerrero your ****ed, try to win a round, how is that
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Old 05-03-2013, 12:35 AM   #116
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Some GIF's to illustrate some further points:

Here, what caught my eye was that Guerrero was conscious about getting lead foot positioning, and was able to lift his foot up over Berto's without taking his eyes off the target. Ward did this against Dawson while moving to his left, maybe it's a Bay Area thing. In any case, it's a good thing for him to do as he gets into range. Not only does it set up the left hand, it takes away the angle for the right hand. Although obviously Floyd knows when to duck and when to lean back and roll much better than Berto does.

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Here, Berto lands a solid right by stepping in with it and widening his stance to land it. Floyd used this set-up against Ortiz and landed solid with it. Although Floyd is a much sharper puncher, it's worth noting that Berto is very heavy handed and Guerrero was still able to recover and circle out and close the distance with his lead foot outside again.

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Guerrero would have to be careful trying this type of left hand shot. Although it's the obvious pathway for a left to follow in the Philly Shell, Floyd often times side-steps to his right to catch that left on the shoulder when backing up. We've only ever seen him play pure counter-puncher against Ortiz, and even then he mixed up walking him down behind a high guard. Floyd wants to be more defensively sound, but will hanging back give Guerrero more or less opportunities to land than if he stood his ground to land his lefts + rights?

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Looping the left hand is key for a fighter that ducks towards their rear hand. Here, Berto blocks the straight shot, but is unprepared for the looping shot. Again, Floyd's footwork is much smarter than Berto's, but he does often duck down below the waist to avoid a shot on the back-foot. The overhand left is a key punch.

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One thing I noticed in exchanges in the Berto fight, along with the Aydin fight, is that Guerrero is quite good at lowering his head and making himself small while rolling with shots and coming back. The switch from shot to shot while slipping is a good habit to have on the inside. Even as Berto displaces his movement, Guerrero doesn't make the mistake of leaning forward into a void pocket where Berto could tee off. Although against the ropes, Berto was able to bump with the shoulder and get his right uppercuts off (if anyone has a gif of that please share.)

I recommended that Guerrero switch between hanging on the back-foot and using ambush tactics, but if he gets Floyd cornered and feels confident staying in the pocket for a bit to maul, then this is a very good skill to be able to employ for avoiding counters while throwing.

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I like your attention to detail but Berto is leagues below Floyd,anything Robert tries in this fight will be countered in a hurtfull manner that he will not have the answers to.Hel be dominated at range,hel be dominated on the inside,hel be dominated off the ropes.He just doesn't have a hope in hell,if he had quick hands and good footwork he may be able to cause some problems,but he's way too upright,clumsy and sluggish I just can't see him doing anything to trouble Floyd,hel give it his best shot though.
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Old 05-03-2013, 12:36 AM   #117
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Old 05-03-2013, 12:39 AM   #118
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IMO, Guerrero needs to fight Floyd like De La Hoya did. Jab to get inside, get all over him and stay there. Pressure pressure pressure, trap him on the ropes, beat his body.

Floyd is older now and Guerrero is younger than Oscar was, plus just as skilled. the Ghost can pull it off if he follows the Oscar gameplan and relentlessly sticks to it for 12 rounds.
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I like your attention to detail but Berto is leagues below Floyd,anything Robert tries in this fight will be countered in a hurtfull manner that he will not have the answers to.Hel be dominated at range,hel be dominated on the inside,hel be dominated off the ropes.He just doesn't have a hope in hell,if he had quick hands and good footwork he may be able to cause some problems,but he's way too upright,clumsy and sluggish I just can't see him doing anything to trouble Floyd,hel give it his best shot though.
The GIF's are more after thoughts on Guerrero's skills, Berto doesn't have the footwork Floyd does as I mentioned, my main recommendations are in the first page. Switch range on his terms, not Floyd's. Floyd can outbox him on the outside and outmaneuver him on the inside, but if Robert switches range first on his own, he's the one who gets to set up shots first.

Ambush tactics. Steal the rounds. Make him chase, get in a few jabs, stay away from the left hook and right hand, then rush forward and maul while Floyd defends. Then step out. Rush in again. Get out before Floyd has a chance to counter. Repeat. Spend the next rounds circling. Spend the following round trying to bully him.

Floyd: "My opponents adjust to me. I set the tempo, I set the pace." Guerrero has to make the opposite happen.

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IMO, Guerrero needs to fight Floyd like De La Hoya did. Jab to get inside, get all over him and stay there. Pressure pressure pressure, trap him on the ropes, beat his body.

Floyd is older now and Guerrero is younger than Oscar was, plus just as skilled. the Ghost can pull it off if he follows the Oscar gameplan and relentlessly sticks to it for 12 rounds.
The southpaw jab doesn't work the same as an orthodox jab against a philly shell. It aligns with the opponent's left jab or shoulder. You can land if it you circle or land it over the top, but it won't achieve the same result of splitting the guard and backing him up in a straight line. It's a good tool for distraction but not for the DLH game-plan.

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Old 05-03-2013, 12:47 AM   #120
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From what I've seen Guerrero is just too basic on the outside - jab jab , left hand. He doesn't mix it up all that much and there's not a lot of finesse there. Floyd's gonna figure him out really quick. On the inside, he can maul and use some dirty tactics, and that's where his best chance lies - if you wanna call it that. I just see this being a total mismatch.

Guerrero's gonna have to let it all on the line like he did with Berto to some degree. If he's gonna try to box with Floyd there's no chance.
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