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Old 12-16-2012, 06:32 PM   #1
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Default Marqez Used P.E.D.s?

Floyd Mayweather is the true victor in the fight between Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez. He is now the victor in both the ring between the two, and now total victor in boxing I.Q among all 3 men. For it was Floyd who had the wisdom and foresight to always demand Olympic-style drug testing, knowing full-well that half the fighters out there, if given the chance to avoid detection, are gonna juice. And it was Floyd who had handily humiliated the pre-P.E.D. Marquez - the same one who just thoroughly dispatched and dethroned Floyd's legacy-nullifying nemesis, Manny Pacquiao. Suddenly, with one steroid-exaggerated right hand, Mayweather is now free of the looming curse of Manny Pacquiao.
And Pacquiao is the loser in more ways than one. For one, he is that stereotypical Christian do-gooder who just magically expects a level playing field from his opposition. It is Pacquiao who took for granted that his opponent Juan Manuel Marquez, so dissillusioned with his inability to previously knock out Pacquiao, would become so jaded with Las Vegas judging, believing they would never give him a fair decision no matter what, would then seek out and employ illegal advantages to give him what his natural abilities could not. After Pacquiao-Marquez 3, Marquez even vowed he would never again fight pacquiao in Las Vegas. But Marquez had good reason to know the judges would not factor in his fourth visit to Vegas.
"You can say anything you want, if you have no proof, it means nothing.", says Marquez. Angel Herida, Marquez's trainer, would also repeat the "you have no proof" sentiment.
"I'm not going to share my [training] secrets with other trainers", proclaimed Angel Herida, the disgraced former(?) Performance-Enhancing Drug distributing trainer, who got caught and decided to roll over on the very athletes who entrusted his methods, rather than man up and take the consequences of his own actions himself, the way Victor Conte, the other trainer in the BALCO investigation, did. Conte refused to roll over on the athletes that entrusted him.
Angel Herida, or Angel Hernandez, wichever name he's using, learned a very important lesson from his involvement with drug prosecution in America: if you get busted here, go ply your trade south of the Border.
One can almost even sympathize with Juan Manuel Marquez for taking the route that he did. In their first 3 fights, he did in fact, land the cleaner, more devisive punches. And his is a modest style that can never impress judges the way a more engaging, offensive style like Pacquiao's can. You can almost side with Marquez, having the belief that American judges were never going to give him the benefit of the doubt. But just as I say that, there were many boxing writers who were saying the judges would probably start granting close rounds to Marquez this time.
Marquez could always connect on Pacquiao. He could always catch him. Problem is, Pacquiao could always take a mean punch and not go down, even from middle-weight-sized fighters (Margarito). Marquez could never drop him, no matter how cleanly he connected, no matter how many rounds, no matter how many fights. Til Marquez got with the program, that is.
I'm talking about that shady, unscrupulous, clandestine program that many boxers pursue to get every possible athletic advantage that's out there, no matter how legitimate. The program that involves needles.
Angel Herida finds Mexico a much more accomodating, liberating enviornment for a man with his, um, "specialties". Also quite liberating is the fact that the banned substances Herida has admitted to in the past are undetectible by a day's time.
So you got a 39 year old fighter who's never had stunning knockout power, even in his prime, emerging from training with exaggerated physical features, rediculous muscle mass for someone in his age/weight range. All top and very little distribution on the bottom, a-la Roger Mayweather.

Any of you out there in readership land ever trained, both as a young man, and throughout middle-age? Or have ever educated yourselves about the realities of hard training during both youth and middle-age? If you did, you would know that, somewhere between the late-20's to early-30's the body loses it's ability to quickly bounce back from grueling training sessions, often requiring several days to recover from the intensity of such training. For a boxer, this would normally present a real problem, for they cannot just take off days at a time from their training. But you use things like Human Growth Horomone (HGH) and that changes everything. Suddenly, your body has the same recovery time as it did during your early-twenties. By administering testosterone, aging athletes can compensate for declining testosterone levels that are in decline by age 30. And steroids can give you the added mass and strength you were never meant to have naturally.

The facts are clear: Marquez's trainer is a confessed steroid administrator, who now uses an alias, who recently spoke of refusing to devulge his current training methods, who's current protogee just emerged from his training with exaggerated physique and one-punch knockout power (a talent he's almost never displayed with anyone other than journeymen) and who just annhialated a fighter who is simply un-droppable, with both a knockdown and a crushing knockout. And, let us not look past those staggering amounts of weight Marquez was seen squatting during episodes of "24/7". Many writers in boxing spoke out about how unusual it was for a lower-weight boxer to be squatting with that level of weights. And let us take into account Pacquiao's evenly-distributed mass, both in his legs and on top. Marquez's upper body looked as wide as a highway road map on Dec. 8th.

Manny Pacquiao was out cold for some two minutes. On saturday, Dec. 8th, Manny Pacquiao was dethroned by a fighter that he had never faced before, one with physical gifts that were clearly not organically his own.

And lastly, what innocent man deflects accusations with a statement like "You have no proof". An innocent man becomes indignant and insulted, and gives statements of affirmation that he would never concede to doing such a thing, and would go on to assert how much he dedicated himself to his legitimate training. It is only a guilty man who asserts that his accusers are wrong because they have "No proof" - such are the sensibilities of the guilty when they know they're the only ones who have access to the evidence.
It was also very notable how Marquez was quick to boast that he would "take the test now", to many different people, with full implicit knowledge of the short half-life those substances have.
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Old 12-16-2012, 06:34 PM   #2
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Didn't read... LOL
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they r all on peds
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Old 12-16-2012, 06:36 PM   #4
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Must be an alt for Jim Lampley.
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Old 12-16-2012, 06:37 PM   #5
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Didn't read but there's only one reason why you would hire a know peds expert who have countless undetected peds.
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Old 12-16-2012, 06:37 PM   #6
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What a bs threat,Your idol floydie has a better chance of using PEDS or boosting his testosterone considering Floyd long time good friend Don hale has dozens of testosterone clinics Vegas included & he pays for his own drug testing.F*ck out of here.Keep talking though & watch kharma bite both of yall in the ass accusing other without proof like the pactards.Flomos are next to go,Then canelo divas as well like chavez jr/khan fans lol.

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Old 12-16-2012, 06:41 PM   #7
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Old 12-16-2012, 06:53 PM   #8
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People's main evidence for him using PED's is the KO?


Jesus there's so many ****ing ignorant idiots around. This shit is getting real pathetic. But because it's Pacquiao who got KTFO, it'll run and run. Pacquiao fans always have to have an excuse.
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Old 12-16-2012, 07:00 PM   #9
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Mayweather lost his only shot at $100 million.
He also lost the chance to prove that he would beat Pacquiao (now it's all hypothetical because they'll never fight).

And the OP calls him the winner.
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Old 12-16-2012, 07:05 PM   #10
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Mayweather lost his only shot at $100 million.
He also lost the chance to prove that he would beat Pacquiao (now it's all hypothetical because they'll never fight).

And the OP calls him the winner.
Mayweather won by process of elimination.
Mayweather wins all his big fights that way, did you not know that?

He beat the crap out of Margarito and Paul Williams on the nights when Mosley vs Margarito and Martinez vs Williams were held.

Now all Mayweather needs is for someone to beat the crap out of Sergio Martinez and he would have beaten him also!
All without having to get in the ring vs none of them!
I tell you thats greatness!
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Old 12-16-2012, 07:12 PM   #11
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Old 12-16-2012, 07:39 PM   #12
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No, Floyd's a dick, but to his credit, he thinks like a criminal, and in a sport as shady as boxing, that's not a bad asset to have.

To a previous poster, no, the ko of Pacquiao wasn't what people are pointing to as proof Marquez juiced. It's what people in law enforcement call the "totality of the evidence" that points to that conclusion.

Something about the long series of quotes/comments from both Marquez and Hernandez point to the musings of some very guilty men who are desperate to spin and weave smokescreens to shroud the truth.
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Old 12-16-2012, 08:01 PM   #13
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Old 12-16-2012, 08:29 PM   #14
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I'm glad that someone has finally called out this farce that is Marquez getting one punch knockout power when he didn't exhibit it in 36 previous rounds against Paq. Now don't get me wrong...I'm glad he kicked Paq's fake ass! He hides behind Christianity, not understanding English...karma is a mutha!

I would love Marquez to challenge Mayweather and go through the OSDT and see what his performance is like...

This is a great article as it doesn't buy into the bullsh*t and calls a spade a spade...
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Old 12-16-2012, 08:41 PM   #15
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People's main evidence for him using PED's is the KO?


Jesus there's so many ****ing ignorant idiots around. This shit is getting real pathetic. But because it's Pacquiao who got KTFO, it'll run and run. Pacquiao fans always have to have an excuse.
Are you some kinda dumbass?

Uh...people's main reason is the fact that Marquez hired Angel Heredia, a convicted steriod dealer who's speciality was helping athletes cheat their way to the top by avoiding drug test detection and making specific "drug coctail" that would suit their needs.

I suggest you read his infamous 2008 interview.

Until then, stop saying stupid ass dumb shit.
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