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View Poll Results: Oscar De La Hoya- Conroversial decisions
I am a hugger Oscar won all 8 0 0%
Oscar won 7 0 0%
Oscar won 6 0 0%
Oscar won 5 4 36.36%
Oscar won 4 3 27.27%
Oscar won 3 2 18.18%
Oscar won 2 1 9.09%
Oscar won 1 1 9.09%
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Old 12-27-2012, 12:29 PM   #1
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Has there ever been a fighter that has been in as many controversial decisions as Oscar? I hear people rip him for getting gift decisions, that he did not deserve, but I think there is just as much of a counter argument that he lost decisions he should not have....What do you folks think how did Oscar fare in these 8 controversial decisions???

In real life Oscar went 4-4-0, what do you say?

1 Molina
2 Whitaker
3 Quartey
4 Trinidad
5 Mosley I
6 Mosley II
7 Sturm
8 Mayweather

I might rescore these when I get on an Oscar kick, but my memory says:

Oscar 4-2-2
wins (Molina, Mayweather, Quartey, Mosley II)
loses (Mosley I & Sturm)
draws (Trinidad & Mayweather)
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Old 12-27-2012, 12:31 PM   #2
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Default Re: Oscar De La Hoya- controversial decisions

The way I remember them Oscar was really only in three bad decisions fights and he should've won two of them.
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I had him beating pea and Mosley 7-5.
Had him going 6-6 with quartey winning it with the final kd.
Had him beating Tito 8-4.
Never knew Molina was controversial and I haven't seen it.

Sturm beat Oscar 9-3
Floyd beat Oscar 8-4
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Mosley 1 wasn't controversial neither. Clear victory.
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Old 12-27-2012, 12:34 PM   #5
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Mosley 1 wasn't controversial neither. Clear victory.
Not in my mind either....but it was an SD w/ Oscar getting an 8-4 nod on 1 card, and mosley narrowly taking 7-5 on the other 2....sounds semi controversial.
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Old 12-27-2012, 12:36 PM   #6
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I had him beating pea and Mosley 7-5.
Had him going 6-6 with quartey winning it with the final kd.
Had him beating Tito 8-4.
Never knew Molina was controversial and I haven't seen it.

Sturm beat Oscar 9-3
Floyd beat Oscar 8-4
Memory seems to say one of the announcers/scorers had Molina winning???? but it has been a while...I think it was likely more over the wide score than who really won though.
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Old 12-27-2012, 01:05 PM   #7
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I had him beating pea and Mosley 7-5.
Had him going 6-6 with quartey winning it with the final kd.
Had him beating Tito 8-4.
Never knew Molina was controversial and I haven't seen it.

Sturm beat Oscar 9-3
Floyd beat Oscar 8-4
Same. I thought the Sturm fight was maybe a round or two closer.
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Old 12-27-2012, 01:54 PM   #8
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I never thought the Molina fight was controversial, Oscar fought well that day and definitely deserved it.....
I think he lost to Mosley in the rematch, I watched twice I think, close decision but Mosley won it IMO.....
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Memory seems to say one of the announcers/scorers had Molina winning???? but it has been a while...I think it was likely more over the wide score than who really won though.
I might watch it one day.

Yeah never realised Mosley 1 was an SD. Surprising that.
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Had him beating Molina, can't remember my scorecard for that fight.

Quartey I scored in favor of DLH 114-113.

Mosley I I scored for Shane 115-113.

Mosley II I scored for DLH 116-112.

Trinidad I scored for DLH 117-111 or 116-112.

Sturm I scored for Sturm 116-112 or 115-113.

Whitaker I scored for DLH 114-112.

Mayweather I scored for Floyd 115-113

So 5-3, basically. He shouldn't have ever gone up to Middleweight in the first place, and fought Floyd well after his best. The only man to best a prime Oscar in my mind was Mosley.
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Old 12-29-2012, 02:28 PM   #11
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Has there ever been a fighter that has been in as many controversial decisions as Oscar?
Emile Griffith.
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Old 12-29-2012, 03:21 PM   #12
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I don't see how Mosley I or Mayweather were controversial, he clearly lost both fights.

I thought he won against Tito, Mosley II, Quartey and Whittaker but lost to Sturm.
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Old 12-29-2012, 03:28 PM   #13
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In real life Oscar went 4-4-0, what do you say?

1 Molina
2 Whitaker
3 Quartey
4 Trinidad
5 Mosley I
6 Mosley II
7 Sturm
8 Mayweather
1. I know I've always been in the minority on this, but I actually thought Molina won this fight. IMO, he took the middle and later rounds by getting inside of DeLaHoya's punches and scoring to the body, and also scoring with overhand rights from the outside. To be fair, Molina probably should've been penalized for all his rabbit punching.

2. DeLaHoya won fair and square IMO.

3. Close fight, but I've typically scored this either a close win for Quartey or a draw. I don't believe DeLaHoya did enough to actually win this.

4. I think a draw was possible, but Tito didn't do enough to actually win IMO.

5. Close but clear win for Mosley IMO. The only one of these decisions that isn't debatable IMO.

6. Like the Tito fight, a draw may have been possible, but I don't think Mosley did enough to actually win this.

7. DeLaHoya very lucky to win this IMO. A draw may have been possible, but even that would've been sympathetic to DeLaHoya IMO.

8. Possibly close enough to be a draw, but a close win for Mayweather was the most fair result IMO.

So ultimately I have DeLaHoya winning one fair decision, losing two fair decisions, winning two questionable decisions (could've been draws), losing two questionable decisions (could've been draws), and winning one outright "bad" decision (Sturm). So in my view, DeLaHoya's record in these fights could be 3-5, or 1-3-4 (if the "questionable" decisions are considered draws).
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Old 12-29-2012, 03:29 PM   #14
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I don't recall ever seeing the Molina fight. Might have to give it a watch sometime!
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Old 12-29-2012, 03:33 PM   #15
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Memory seems to say one of the announcers/scorers had Molina winning????
Lederman had Molina winning, for whatever (little) that might be worth.
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