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Old 01-03-2013, 06:36 PM   #61
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Default Re: Who doesn't rate Robinson #1?

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Is that because so many other fighters:
1. Won a world heavyweight title while still light heavyweight (and probably a middleweight).
2. fought and Knocked out every heavyweight he fought for more than 4 rounds until jim Jeffries (who would have been TKOd under modern rules) despite never weighing over the light heavy limit
3. were the best light heavyweight in the world from 1891 to 1905 (14 years)..
4. that he was good enough to win the world heavyweight championship
5. Because he cleaned out the entire middleweight division.
6. Because even when old and completely shot, he still hung around for another 5 years, knocking out and outclassing the average fighters he fought and giving a young world heavyweight challenger all he could handle, before the heat got to him.
7. Perhaps it was because after winning the middleweight title, he went something like - Ko4, W4, Ko2, KO2, TK12, KO2, KO2, ko2, KO3, KO3, KO1, KO1, KO2, KO4, W4, KO2, KO1, KO1, KO3, KO1, KO1, KO1, KO3, KO4, W5, ko3, ko3, Ko4, ko3, ko2, ko2, ko1, KO5, KO2, ko3, KO1, LF8 (ko), KO14.
You seem to think I'm unaware of all this?

I rate him about #12, you know, above Tony Canzoneri and Jimmy McLarnin!
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Old 01-03-2013, 10:13 PM   #62
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You seem to think I'm unaware of all this?

I rate him about #12, you know, above Tony Canzoneri and Jimmy McLarnin!
It is not the ranking (you correctly point out that being placed above these guys you mentioned is an enormous rap). I am more interested in your comments that he was significant but not a phenomenon.

Which other fighter achieved what i listed? Or what does a fighter need to do to become phenomenal.
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Old 01-04-2013, 03:24 AM   #63
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It is not the ranking (you correctly point out that being placed above these guys you mentioned is an enormous rap). I am more interested in your comments that he was significant but not a phenomenon.

Which other fighter achieved what i listed? Or what does a fighter need to do to become phenomenal.
I'll admit, it wasn't a well thought out comment. I don't think much of Fitzsimmons' opposition compared to the others, even if some were outweighing him. He just doesn't do it for me, not enough to be rated in the top five anyway.
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Old 01-04-2013, 03:31 AM   #64
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Ray Robinson/Harry Greb/Hank Armstrong
Sam Langford
Ezzard Charles
Muhammad Ali
Roberto Duran
Ben Leonard
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