*** Cain Velasquez Vs. Alistair Overeem? Who wins??***

[macp1]

Originally Posted by globeman

So roids plays no part what so ever.

http://www.mmalinker.com/wiki/images/4/46/Aolid.jpg

He lost to Liddel a LHW.

Was that in the 20th century that fight? Seems like a century ago. Wlad lost to Purrity too.

[Koa]

Reem's weakness will be exposed when a good wrestler or bjj guy uses level changing a lot, and sneaks in a good punch while doing so to set up a takedown..

vs. Werdum he had trouble because of all the level changes and feints, but Werdum didn't land anything super hard to set up the takedown, and he's almost more like a guy that would try and drag you to guard than try to overpower you and go for a single or double. Overeem was too strong to be taken down that way, he just stood back up.. But it showed his soft underbelly can be exposed. You can sneak a punch in there by changing levels, buzz him, THEN go for the takedown, and if you can't pound him out, you drown his ass.

Otherwise, if you stand in front of him, or try to go for a clinch, he's gonna maul the shit out of you.. Lesnar couldn't hold onto him, Reem inflicted so much damage, so quickly and inside that when he was in range to try and go for a bodylock, he just wilted. He's a huge explosive guy that got everything taken out of him in just a few moments.

I don't like the matchup for Cain because Overeems standup style gives him the advantage in the clinch, and Cain likes to get close to guys and maul them. I believe Cain can beat him soundly, but everything depends on him landing something hard, AND getting Reem on his back, AND keeping him there long enough to inflict damage or draining him enough.. Cain is a smart dude, but I'll bet it takes him a fight to figure out Reem.. And guess what? Reem will maul the shit out of Cain. Cain will come back and win the next one.

Reem's standup style is really pretty hard to crack, and it's a punishing, unforgiving style.. You make a mistake and he will land heavy and short on you. Guys that powerful only need to land one.

[achillesthegreat]

I think Reems striking is devatating, he is strong with decent jits but he has no more than a round in which to win and then I'm pretty sure he gasses like JDS but without the heart to last 5 rounds.

By no means an easy fight or easy prediticion. The heavyweights are good but the top top top heavies seem to still be very rigid in a style, which makes every big fight a simple execution of their gameplan which can result in a JDS vs Cain I type scenario or a JDS vs Cain II type scenario.

[sugarngold]

If Overeem doesn't land a flying knee to take Cain out - he will get crushed into the canvas inside three rounds. It's funny that Reem was taking shots at JDS during his fight with Velazquez but he won't make it five rounds with Cain any time soon. He'd wilt under that pressure - unlike JDS who managed to stay in the fight all five rounds.

[KERRIGAN]

Does anyone think Overeem has a better one punch KO than JDS?

After the 2nd fight between Cain and JDS, I can't help but believe that all the stories about Cain's knee being fucked going into their first fight was true.

So I only take the 2nd fight as being meaningful, and if JDS couldn't put Cain away early, then I don't see how the gutless, muscle bound Overeem will.

I only hope the bookies buy into the Overeem bullshit hype, I will put a few hundreds dollars at least on Cain if his odds are better than $1.50.

[RJJ's Jab]

Uberknee's to the body, Cain crumbles....That's how the fight goes.

[Koa]

Originally Posted by KERRIGAN

Does anyone think Overeem has a better one punch KO than JDS?

After the 2nd fight between Cain and JDS, I can't help but believe that all the stories about Cain's knee being fucked going into their first fight was true.

So I only take the 2nd fight as being meaningful, and if JDS couldn't put Cain away early, then I don't see how the gutless, muscle bound Overeem will.

I only hope the bookies buy into the Overeem bullshit hype, I will put a few hundreds dollars at least on Cain if his odds are better than $1.50.

Everyone cracks on Overeems heart, which has to be tested again since we haven't really seen him in a situation where he would quit for a loong time. He's confident, and he's been knocking out kickboxers with gloved short punches. He has just as much power as JDS, but he's more dangerous because he likes to crowd guys and use short punches, and counters. Rather than long counters and surprise timing attacks like JDS, who must maintain range to strike effectively. If you allow Reem to get close enough he takes control, that's just how it's been, until I see someone overpower him inside, he owns it.

If you go for a shot and get shrugged off like Cain did vs. JDS, Reem has the technique to take advantage and use his own gnp, which is outstanding. It's a nasty ass matchup for Cain, a lot of Cains strengths play right into Reems.. It's a bad match.

[slugger3000]

Originally Posted by BobDigi5060

Lesnar too, so in all actuality roids had zero effect on the outcome of his fights. Like said, everyone is on something, whether it be horse cock, creatine, or a PWO for energy.

Only a fighter like Anderson Silva takes so much as Gatorade.





It's the philosophy in MMA, and has been that way for the past 20 years. I'm certain longer, that The Best will fight The Best, and that's it. It's all that matters, and this is what The UFC has strived for from day one. It's everything to us (fighters, fans) and it's everything I'm feeling right now. The fighters involved have shown and taught us a lot about soul searching and life in general.

PRIDE, on the other hand, showed and taught us a thing or two about love and respect. PRIDE never died, and those events are what brought us The Next Generation of fighters out there today (Ben Henderson, GSP, on and on).

It's a good time to be a fight fan. Like I said, the World hasn't seen warriors like this since the Gillette Cavalcade of Sports. Not trying to bust balls with that statement either, because 2013 is going to be a Great year for everyone involved!

Oh, btw... Crazy #ing avy. I kinda use to hate it because you could troll the fuck outta Mayweather fans, but you are a good egg. Glad to have you.

Brilliant post... I just love the way the UFC is set up! I wish boxing was the same.. Long live MMA!

Yes PRIDE was an amazing organization as well.. They gave us fight fans so many memorable bouts.

Thanks for the compliment on the Avatar.. Im a big Johnny Depp fan and I thought his role as the Mad Hatter was a masterpiece! Yes I love to kid with the Flomos.. Someone has to bring them down to earth..

[No Fear]

Velasquez has No Chin and it'll be over when Overeem lands.

[Peter__1987]

Ubereem KO

[latineg]

Originally Posted by Thom

Who says that he won't still be on gear? All that he has to do is time his cycle better. Don't forget that he passed pre and post-fight drug tests for the Rogers and Werdum fights.

Yes i see your point and its very true. If he comes in well roided that first round is going to be interesting

[slugger3000]

Originally Posted by macp1

we'll see what happens. The Cormier thing wont matter, but you're right, friends never fight in the Octagon. Bones and Evans never fought. I forgot. MMA fighters all have same camarderie as The Klitschkos. My bad.

And let's see if Reem loses. If he does, he does. Doesn't hurt me. But after that comment you made, you're gonna look like an idiot if he crushes Cain, Bigfoot, whoever they put in the ring with him.

Btw, GREAT post. I forgot that friends never fight. Greater post than mine Slugger.

Cain and Daniel are very good buddies and have alot of respect for eachother... They already both said multiple times on record that they wont fight eachother.

As far as Overeem, he's a good fighter but to say no one has a chance against him is hog wash... Cain would be a favorite against him, JDS would be a pick em fight and Big Foot is no slouch...

[Earl-hickey]

Overeem will probably win

[SouthpawSlayer]

cain will ragdoll him reem will be sucking on air after 2 mins

it will be embarassing

[slugger3000]

As of now... 27 votes for Cain. 27 votes for Alistair, Keep on voting!