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Old 12-31-2012, 07:09 AM   #16
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Don't know if he could have done anything. He should have tried to be more mobile early on, though, giving more angles - like he usually did. He was more static and way more stiffer in the opening rounds than he usually was. Duran had something do with that, of course. So it's hard to say.

He didn't look like his usual self, but then he'd never faced someone like Duran before.
he needed to fight Duran and realize that fighting his fight is important with the top guys. That not everyone can be beat with intensity and wilpower. He learned the full game after the first Duran fight.
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Old 12-31-2012, 07:26 AM   #17
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he needed to fight Duran and realize that fighting his fight is important with the top guys. That not everyone can be beat with intensity and wilpower. He learned the full game after the first Duran fight.
See thread starter, look what you've gone and done now. I hope you're proud of yourself.
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Old 12-31-2012, 10:43 AM   #18
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See thread starter, look what you've gone and done now. I hope you're proud of yourself.
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Old 12-31-2012, 11:13 AM   #19
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Yeah, my passion has been effectively killed thanks to this place. There is not a more played out topic, Period. That goes for the entire Fab 4.

At least Dempsey-Wills threads still get people hurling insults at eachother and foaming at the mouth. (Over something a minscule number of people on the planet give a **** about)

This shit? It's boring.
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Old 12-31-2012, 11:30 AM   #20
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Who was your favorite between Briscoe, Monroe, Hart and Watts?
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Old 12-31-2012, 11:33 AM   #21
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Who was your favorite between Briscoe, Monroe, Hart and Watts?
Willie the Worm is my all time favorite boxer...probably followed by Watt's, Briscoe/Cyclone if those are the 4 candidates.
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Old 12-31-2012, 11:36 AM   #22
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It may sound crazy but I believe Dino, OMGWTF, TheSouthpaw, KuRuPT, VG_Addict, and some others are not new to ESB but have newer accounts so that they can rehash old arguments, troll for or against certain fighters and post seemingly innocent threads that they know are dredged-up, long-time arguments here, for the sake of humouring themselves. CALL ME CRAZY. Call me paranoid. Call me even one noid. But that's what I'm thinking. There's been quite a growth spurt in these accounts chiming in on classic and now they're really starting to make up a decent percentage of the discussion I've been seeing. But, I wish them well.
I can't speak for the others you mentioned, but I joined this site this year.
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Old 12-31-2012, 11:39 AM   #23
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Willie the Worm is my all time favorite boxer...probably followed by Watt's, Briscoe/Cyclone if those are the 4 candidates.
i've seen almost none of the worm...any readily available fights i should check out?

seen a tiny bit of watt's but same question for him...

briscoe and hart are awesome. solid guys, good fundamentals and hit you with the intention of breaking your ****ing head open
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Hart could hurt like hell. Fairly influential in bringing out one of the better examples of Hagler's ability to box off the backfoot.
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See thread starter, look what you've gone and done now. I hope you're proud of yourself.
I won't comment too much don't worry. But I do think Leonard was the variable and always was absolutely 100 percent. When they fought I was 15. I remember thinking wow so many excuses for Duran. If one excuse like the steak and gallon of water for Duran's stomach ache as the immediate problem for quitting in round 8, then they say he didn't train to explain why he could not compete at all. No credit was given for Ray who absolutely fought a different fight. If you compare the first and second fights Ray's foot movement is totally different as was his gameplan. Duran's was not. That is why I say Ray was the variable. And he did it in two fights post June of 1980, one fight 9 years later.
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I won't comment too much don't worry. But I do think Leonard was the variable and always was absolutely 100 percent. When they fought I was 15. I remember thinking wow so many excuses for Duran. If one excuse like the steak and gallon of water for Duran's stomach ache as the immediate problem for quitting in round 8, then they say he didn't train to explain why he could not compete at all. No credit was given for Ray who absolutely fought a different fight. If you compare the first and second fights Ray's foot movement is totally different as was his gameplan. Duran's was not. That is why I say Ray was the variable. And he did it in two fights post June of 1980, one fight 9 years later.
You don't allow yourself to see a difference in Duran, and thus your song never changes.
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Willie the Worm is my all time favorite boxer...probably followed by Watt's, Briscoe/Cyclone if those are the 4 candidates.

The Worm!!!..Did you ever find him Philly?
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Old 12-31-2012, 06:36 PM   #29
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I won't comment too much don't worry. But I do think Leonard was the variable and always was absolutely 100 percent. When they fought I was 15. I remember thinking wow so many excuses for Duran. If one excuse like the steak and gallon of water for Duran's stomach ache as the immediate problem for quitting in round 8, then they say he didn't train to explain why he could not compete at all. No credit was given for Ray who absolutely fought a different fight. If you compare the first and second fights Ray's foot movement is totally different as was his gameplan. Duran's was not. That is why I say Ray was the variable. And he did it in two fights post June of 1980, one fight 9 years later.
Leonard was ALWAYS 100%...
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Hart could hurt like hell. Fairly influential in bringing out one of the better examples of Hagler's ability to box off the backfoot.
And switch from right handed to Southpaw...
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