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Old 12-03-2015, 10:57 AM   #1
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i gotta a question

i fought before and been doing boxing(since childhood) for a long time as well doing
grappling-bjj-mma stuff

this is a question i got, i got acl surgery before and have a minicus problem
in my right knee

now the odd part is that
when i do sparring, the knee does not beg me
same with grappling or even kicking or HITT interval training


but so many boxing coaches are super into steady state cardio like jogging or skipping but that stuff kills my "bad" knee
the next my leg feels like a stick and i dont feel like i have balance until
i do weight training like squats and hamstring curls etc


so here is the thing
do you guys think its a must for me to this to fight in boxing
my cardio feels fine in sparring but we all know sparring and completion is not the same


so basically there is only so much time you spend sparring or heavybag...
can interval training and grapping replace the traditional non boxing element in boxing training such as running etc
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Old 12-03-2015, 11:20 AM   #2
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Old school boxing people will tell you road work is essential.

Proponents of newer methodologies will shrug it off as expendable or even a liability of injury risk that you should forgo altogether.

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Old 12-03-2015, 11:38 AM   #3
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agreed, i have heard both sides
so its hard to decide lol
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Old 12-03-2015, 11:50 AM   #4
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No, road work is not essential at all. Cycling or swimmimg is a great replacement if roadwork is too hard on your knee.
Look at Juan Diaz, he does not run. He uses a stairmaster and swims and he has a great engine.
And yes, grappling can replace running. I find grappling much tougher than running.
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Old 12-03-2015, 12:19 PM   #5
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very good answer, and the stairmaster is pretty evil lol
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i gotta a question

i fought before and been doing boxing(since childhood) for a long time as well doing
grappling-bjj-mma stuff

this is a question i got, i got acl surgery before and have a minicus problem
in my right knee

now the odd part is that
when i do sparring, the knee does not beg me
same with grappling or even kicking or HITT interval training


but so many boxing coaches are super into steady state cardio like jogging or skipping but that stuff kills my "bad" knee
the next my leg feels like a stick and i dont feel like i have balance until
i do weight training like squats and hamstring curls etc


so here is the thing
do you guys think its a must for me to this to fight in boxing
my cardio feels fine in sparring but we all know sparring and completion is not the same


so basically there is only so much time you spend sparring or heavybag...
can interval training and grapping replace the traditional non boxing element in boxing training such as running etc
The answer is no. You do not need to get your cardiovascular training specifically only from roadwork though its ideal, but in your situation you can substitute it with Swimming an appropriate number of laps at an appropriate intensity. This will also save the wear and tear on your knee as water will not cause the problems pavement do
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Old 12-03-2015, 06:27 PM   #7
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However if skipping causes you problems your probably not ready to get in the ring until it doesn't. Because if you cant bounce on your toes and move with balance and coordination with the rope without feeling discomfort, you will not be able to do so in the ring.
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Old 12-03-2015, 07:01 PM   #8
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The answer is no. You do not need to get your cardiovascular training specifically only from roadwork though its ideal, but in your situation you can substitute it with Swimming an appropriate number of laps at an appropriate intensity. This will also save the wear and tear on your knee as water will not cause the problems pavement do

yes i can see what you mean

what would you say is a good amount of laps?

i am a heavyweight and have not done much swimming
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Old 12-03-2015, 07:06 PM   #9
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However if skipping causes you problems your probably not ready to get in the ring until it doesn't. Because if you cant bounce on your toes and move with balance and coordination with the rope without feeling discomfort, you will not be able to do so in the ring.
well skipping in itself is not hard for me, the hardest part is that its a little boring
so during skipping i am fine its how my knee feels 3-4 hours after skipping
thats the problem.


to be honest while i do see the benefit if skipping, the actually movement(not the coordination) is quite different then actually moving around in the ring

ie- your not always on your toes, a lot of the time, your feet are planted
and the footwork aspect in fighting is not an up and down motion like you
get in skipping
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yes i can see what you mean

what would you say is a good amount of laps?

i am a heavyweight and have not done much swimming
if you haven't done much swimming i would invest in a month worth of lessons in a proper swimming coach learning technique, otherwise you are wasting your energy using the wrong muscles and not getting the cardio workout you desire. Get a basic grasp of proper free stroke technique and how much your legs need to be involved. After that, it all depends on what your wind is currently at. Just like roadwork, you can alter speed and distance with your swimming goals and they need to be built up just like road work and done consistently just like roadwork and you can "sprint" just like roadwork. The specifics of how many laps are something that you need to get answered by trial and error, talking to experienced swimmers, as well as gauging where your current fitness is at then your goals should be determined from there just like normal roadwork
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well skipping in itself is not hard for me, the hardest part is that its a little boring
so during skipping i am fine its how my knee feels 3-4 hours after skipping
thats the problem.


to be honest while i do see the benefit if skipping, the actually movement(not the coordination) is quite different then actually moving around in the ring

ie- your not always on your toes, a lot of the time, your feet are planted
and the footwork aspect in fighting is not an up and down motion like you
get in skipping

*edit* I thought you said you didnt see the benefits of skipping before answering this, now i see you said you do see the benefits. But anyway good for some people to know*edit

It shouldn't be boring though theres a lot of ways to vary up skipping and just like shadowboxing and heavybag work you can skip for a variety of purposes, such as speed, or rhythym or work on footwork. So i don't buy that skipping is boring you need to keep finding new goals to work on for skipping

You don't see the benefits from skipping, yet you've been boxing since childhood?

Here's a basic grasp of the benefits: In boxing you should be balanced at all times as much as possible. Whether crouching, slipping, throwing a jab, throwing power shots, pivoting, offense to defense to offense, inside fighting.... get the point? ANYTHING. you should have balance. you should be able to fluidly move from offense to defensive from one punch to another without getting off balance.

If you were to do an ****ysis on all the professional fights ever fought on tape, and determined which fighter in every fight had the better balance in thier technique, you would find the higher percentage of victories overall would be the boxer with better balance. Because Balance is everything when it comes to physical boxing technique.

Now The whole point of jumping rope, and doing different variations with 1 feet, 2 feet, differnt positions, double unders, is this exact thing. To enhance and improve, balance, rhythym, and coordination and footwork. You will not find but a handful of professional boxers in the entire 100 plus YEARS history of the sport dating back to the early 1900s that did NOT skip rope. But maybe you know something they don't, but in all seriousness you are wrong my man.

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Old 12-04-2015, 01:13 AM   #12
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Throw 100+ Punches a round on the bag and do a lot sparring. Make cardio specific to boxing, these days people don't do a lot of footwork in a fight its punches in bunches and clinching.
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No. There are always alternatives.
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I've seen it argued that road work and swimming don't have to be mutually exclusive, one rather than another, but in fact are best used complementarily.
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I've seen it argued that road work and swimming don't have to be mutually exclusive, one rather than another, but in fact are best used complementarily.
But why not do more bag work including pads into your training make it specific to your goals I.e throw 1000 punches without stopping or do it in sets of a hundred. That exercise is a real colorie burner on the shoulders.
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