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Old 12-20-2013, 12:11 AM   #511
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hey man, i'm tino. i'm 26 from montreal quebec. i've been training boxing for six years. i don't really have big dreams like a middleweight title or anything, my real dream is to fight pro though and just have the opportunity to make boxing my profession. my real goal is to bridge the gap between martial art and boxing. i want to add aspects of eastern training to boxing that could make any boxer better. if this is possible, i'm not even sure but i've already done some karate too and my hands are tough as hell. i broke them several times and they dont hurt or nag, they're healthy. i even asked a white crane teacher, he said they're perfect.

i have a lot of questions. i'll start with one.

how many hours can a boxer possibly wish to train in days, weeks, months. i heard mike tyson trained 50-55 hours a week. i am still not sure if the person was lying. lol

shed some light on this, if we chat more i'll have more questions that you can answer.

PEACE

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I am not a trainer and everybody is different so the first thing you have to do is find a trainer you can respect. Ask him all the questions you may have about training and getting ready for a fight. A good trainer will evaluate where you are at and tell you what you have to do to get ready. Good luck
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Old 12-20-2013, 12:38 AM   #512
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This was a good read. Just a small amount of info on how dirty the business can be. As a manager, how does one know if your fighter is about to sign up for a fixed fight and knows it? I am going into the game honest (I know folks hear that a lot) and don't want any part of that crap. How would I encourage my fighters not to be involved in this type of crap?
Don't even trouble your mind about it, in all my years in boxing I have only come across that kind of stuff in one fight personally, and it backfired big time for the guy trying to "fix" the fight. The manager/father of a local hero was worried cos he had a fight on ESPN in two weeks and didn't want to risk a cut or anything. So he went to the opponents dressing room and offered the fighter $200. The guy was a veteran who won some and lost more, the guy refused the money and it pissed him off . He lost the fight to the local hero but he cut the opponent over both eyes. The manager/father didn't really need to do that he would have won anyway but the veteran who took the offer to take a "dive" as a great insult got his revenge the local hero's cut's were so bad that the hero couldn't fight on ESPN. Only stupid people with no experience would even think of doing that. A manager should access the risks and either accept it or reject nobody put a gun to his head to take that fight.

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Old 12-22-2013, 04:32 AM   #513
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Well great end to the Boxing year over here last night & a great example of when getting your chance you make sure you take it.

Stuart Hall beat Malinga on points in a really good hard fought contest where both men left it all in the ring.Malinga was knocked down early but came back into the fight late rounds with Hall having his left eye completely closed still coming forward.It wasn't the best technical fight you will see it was about heart & determination which was on show in abundance.Great nights entertainment by both.

Hall wants to fight McDonnell next in a rematch(voluntary) they fought before in a decent scrap that McDonnell took on a tight points decision.It would make decent money here in a division with not much coin in it.There is a decent interview with him on the scene a character who has turned his life around through boxing.

What could stop it happening seems straightforward?Well Hall is managed by Dennis Hobson as readers of this thread will well know had the falling out with McDonnell.Will he want to see McDonnell getting a chance to reclaim the strap & make decent money in the process?It is what Hall wants lets see if it can be made as both are with rival promoters or maybe our friend 'boxing politics' will decide watch this space!
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Old 12-23-2013, 01:51 PM   #514
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Trying to get started on my research on the industry today. Made a call to a local casino that holds fights to get a copy for fighter purses. They directed me to the promotional company so I will have to contact them to see if they can send me a copy. Just a fyi that is all.
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Old 12-23-2013, 10:06 PM   #515
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Trying to get started on my research on the industry today. Made a call to a local casino that holds fights to get a copy for fighter purses. They directed me to the promotional company so I will have to contact them to see if they can send me a copy. Just a fyi that is all.
It's way cheap, Texas pays better. Go to the Okla. Boxing Commission for the names of fighters with their phone numbers call the fighters and trainers and ask questions they will give you a good idea of what's what.
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Old 12-24-2013, 11:37 AM   #516
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Thanks Dempsey. I will have to send my fighters to Texas. I will go to the OK Boxing Commission and do that. Thanks again.
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Old 12-24-2013, 01:53 PM   #517
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It is a tough game as we all know not everyone is going to get a shot at even a domestic level title (still big in the UK the Lonsdale belt).

There was a recent documentary here on a fighter called Johnny Greaves called 'cornered' a journeyman 100 fights only won 4 never ever been k.o'd.He is well known here retired now but respected on the U.K circuit by people that understand the business & how it works.

Guys do yourselves a favour google Johnny Greaves 'A fight? Iv'e never said no' it underlines all the post's on here about ticket sales & buying the opponents purse Greaves was the opponent in all but his 100th contest.It can be harder being the prospect than the journeyman in that respect I have posted that before about the game ANYWHERE in the world.Ticket's,chasing money.sponsors all a job in themselves don't think anything else no one owes you nothing,you need to make it happen.

If you can't sell tickets you struggle to get work (fights) to get around this you have to build a base by generating heat,performances that get the promoters wanting your guy it is a very difficult balancing act.Seasons greeting's to all.
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Old 12-25-2013, 03:42 AM   #518
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Do you think 24 is too late to get into amateur boxing?
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Old 12-25-2013, 02:18 PM   #519
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no, i got in at 24, am 25 now, currently undefeated and won a few national tournaments. You can start at any time just gotta play a little bit of catch up
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Old 01-01-2014, 09:33 PM   #520
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Happy New Years guys time to start hitting it again. I came across this in recently and I thought I should share this.



Johnny Kilbane
Featherweight Champion of the World 1912 - 1923
Kilbane wrote this poem about fighting Heart.

Fighting Heart

by Johnny Kilbane

A man can have two arms of steel

a punch of dynamite

But if he lacks a fighting heart

He'll miss the greatest height

He may possess an iron fist

And strength beyond his need

Then too he may be quick of mind

And blessed with extra speed

He may have great ability

Or be a fancy Dan

But without faith and fighting heart

He's just an also-ran

This need of heart is not just for

the pugilist who fights

But it holds true for all of us

Who battle for our rights

For when the chips of life are down

and troubled waters mount

A fighting heart will see us through

However long the count
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Old 01-07-2014, 02:52 PM   #521
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dempsey any of your guys got any fights lined up?
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Old 01-07-2014, 03:20 PM   #522
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Kilbane had a great run as champion he could almost have written that about the man that eventually dethroned him Eugene Criqui.That being a tribute as much to Kilbane great champions know more than anyone titles are always on loan enjoy your time you then become part of a rich history. History what of it ?IMO at those levels it is about seizing that moment when dreams become reality.... doubt it well you have beaten yourself anyway.

Boxing always whatever the year gives us all opportunities keep knocking on those doors look for that break be it manager,agent or fighter.You should expect nothing but by saying that when you get that break you remember that too a chance embrace it.

Nothing is set in stone the history of this sport tells you that short notice fights,low end purses,home town judges all can be overcome....easy no impossible never!
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dempsey any of your guys got any fights lined up?
Yes Feb 1st in Laredo, Marroquin and Saucedo and Mar 1st in San Antonio Saucedo and Najera both are Top Rank cards.

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Kilbane had a great run as champion he could almost have written that about the man that eventually dethroned him Eugene Criqui.That being a tribute as much to Kilbane great champions know more than anyone titles are always on loan enjoy your time you then become part of a rich history. History what of it ?IMO at those levels it is about seizing that moment when dreams become reality.... doubt it well you have beaten yourself anyway.

Boxing always whatever the year gives us all opportunities keep knocking on those doors look for that break be it manager,agent or fighter.You should expect nothing but by saying that when you get that break you remember that too a chance embrace it.

Nothing is set in stone the history of this sport tells you that short notice fights,low end purses,home town judges all can be overcome....easy no impossible never!
Well said M
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The modern fighter will certainly have stories about how hard they have had it in preparing for fights sacrifices,juggling a full time paid job with training not a easy life for sure.Many fall by the wayside talented kids & adults that can't hack the life the bright lights of MSG,Vegas can't befall all men but you have to start somewhere it is a very spartan life at times.

Let's look back a couple of centuries where fighting certainly here in London was a way of life & the early days of paid fights bares testament to that.Life expectancy was low 40 years on average & the average wage of say a farm labourer 3 shillings a week which would cover a couple of loaves of bread...yes tough times indeed & thoughts of keeping up with the neighbours not high on your list of priorities!A famous painter here William Hogarth captured the times Gin Lane,Beer St the way of life worth a look online.

Prizefighting was a way to make some decent money you had a backer (manager in many ways) if you were good enough in this country it was the nobility who viewed old time pugilism as entertainment & a good gambling opportunity.They all had their favourite fighters they put their money where there mouths were no purse splits,rematch clauses,contracts.

Winner takes all the order of the day Tom Cribb was born in Bristol moved to London at 13 to find work & worked on the barges unloading shipments from abroad.It helped fill out his shoulders & toughened him up.His career as a prizefighter almost over before it started he had two near fatal accidents which he recovered from the story being they would of killed lesser men.He honed his fighting technique with a stint at sea in the Navy he came back left the Navy & started his prizefighting days.

His first fight in public was against George Maddox he then fought against Tom Blake & won a purse of forty guineas a fortune in those days he was champion of England for many years.He was one of the first recorded fighters to have a training camp in preparation for his second fight with Tom Molineux which are worth reading about on their own.

Such was the times he actually said the hardest part of his training was restraining himself from beer such was the lifestyle of the day.He lived until 68 prizefighting had given him a life that he thought wasn't possible.

He became so famous that he was an usher at George IV coronation 19th July 1821 as King of England the best part being prizefighting was illegal in England.

Not the only King on view on the day England had over a decade of it's own real King of the prizefighting ring.
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