How come Heavyweights often take less damage throughout a fight than lower weight

dayuum · 01-02-2013, 07:18 PM

classes?

Brain damage after they retired also seems a lot less common

dyna · 01-02-2013, 07:48 PM

Because heavyweights don't dehydrate, having a well hydrated brain improves your punch resistance.
You go KO when your brain gets smashed too hard against your skill, water helps to absorb the shock.

Besides "prime" George Foreman I don't know any hw that dehydrated, and look how much better his chin was as an old guy.

mgdb26 · 01-02-2013, 08:49 PM

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Besides "prime" George Foreman I don't know any hw that dehydrated, and look how much better his chin was as an old guy.

Why the hell would he dehydrate if he didn't have to make weight?

Bogotazo · 01-02-2013, 08:57 PM

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Why the hell would he dehydrate if he didn't have to make weight?

Back then the standard for being a fit HW was to trim down. You can stay hydrated throughout but you're going to lose water training either way.

I think at HW, each fighter is usually more cautious, because as they say, in that division, "everybody can punch."

dyna · 01-02-2013, 09:00 PM

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Why the hell would he dehydrate if he didn't have to make weight?

Because his trainer thought excessive weight draining and dehydration was good.
Trainers can make mistakes.

Rainman · 01-03-2013, 01:23 PM

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Why the hell would he dehydrate if he didn't have to make weight?

When you get dehydrated your body starts to go into fight or flight mode, one an survival\evolutionary response, one would assume so you recognize the imperative nature of getting more water. The problem, as George experienced against Ali, is a dehydrated person is more vulnerable to exhaustion. So it might be beneficial to dry out a little in order to start the match sharp but the longer it goes on the worse it gets for you.
If you saw 2 fighters coming out for a fight, one was dripping in sweat and the other was dry you would assume the sweaty one will start stronger but the danger will fade as the rounds wear on.

Vidic · 01-03-2013, 01:57 PM

HW Fighters generally throw and take less punches, and the hydration is a very good point - HW's obviously have no weight limit, and don't have to trim and boil themselves down the day before the fight

Boxed Ears · 01-03-2013, 02:21 PM

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Why the hell would he dehydrate if he didn't have to make weight?

Foreman's trainer did some silly shit, Mg. He used to deliberately "dry him out" and then give him a "refreshing" glass of water right before the fight, like it was a sports psychology trick or something.

Hanz Cholo · 01-03-2013, 02:26 PM

Because Most Heavy Weight Posses One Punch Knockout Power.

Primenal · 01-03-2013, 03:15 PM

Lighter weights - In better shape usually, better punch resistance due to being in shape, so typically they take more punches, throw more punches, and fights last longer.

Heavier weights - In worse shape usually, hard not to get KOd when you so winded you can't lift your arms, take less punches (whether it goes the distance and there opponent didn't throw much, or they get straight up knocked out quick), and fights can end anytime.

Of course draining yourself don't help much either. I'd much rather have Tyson knock me out with his first right hook than Ali jab my face off for 12 rounds.

ChrisPontius · 01-03-2013, 04:23 PM

The smaller guys don't have the knockout power of the heavies. A heavyweight contender with 80% KO rate is not that exceptional, a SFW with that percentage is rather rare.

On top of that, the small guys have about double the punch output. So they hit each other more often per round and go more rounds due to the relative lack of knockout power. Yep, it's more healthy to be a heavyweight.

Flexb · 01-03-2013, 05:39 PM

A heavyweight usually lands clean and ends a fight. Lighter weights can really rack up the damage taking consecutive clean punches round after round. Also heavies like to hug and kiss each other throughout most of the fight. It's usually a 1-2 combo, hug n' smooch, wait for ref to step in.

Vidic · 01-03-2013, 05:41 PM

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A heavyweight usually lands clean and ends a fight. Lighter weights can really rack up the damage taking consecutive clean punches round after round. Also heavies like to hug and kiss each other throughout most of the fight. It's usually a 1-2 combo, hug n' smooch, wait for ref to step in.

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dyna Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 4,580 vCash: 1551	Re: How come Heavyweights often take less damage throughout a fight than lower weight Because heavyweights don't dehydrate, having a well hydrated brain improves your punch resistance. You go KO when your brain gets smashed too hard against your skill, water helps to absorb the shock. Besides "prime" George Foreman I don't know any hw that dehydrated, and look how much better his chin was as an old guy.
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Vidic Rest in Peace Manny East Side Guru Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 8,441 vCash: 75	Re: How come Heavyweights often take less damage throughout a fight than lower weight HW Fighters generally throw and take less punches, and the hydration is a very good point - HW's obviously have no weight limit, and don't have to trim and boil themselves down the day before the fight
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Hanz Cholo Journeyman ESB Jr Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 273 vCash: 500	Re: How come Heavyweights often take less damage throughout a fight than lower weight Because Most Heavy Weight Posses One Punch Knockout Power.
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Primenal Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 2,294 vCash: 1000	Re: How come Heavyweights often take less damage throughout a fight than lower weight Lighter weights - In better shape usually, better punch resistance due to being in shape, so typically they take more punches, throw more punches, and fights last longer. Heavier weights - In worse shape usually, hard not to get KOd when you so winded you can't lift your arms, take less punches (whether it goes the distance and there opponent didn't throw much, or they get straight up knocked out quick), and fights can end anytime. Of course draining yourself don't help much either. I'd much rather have Tyson knock me out with his first right hook than Ali jab my face off for 12 rounds.
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ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 East Side VIP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Holland Posts: 11,749 vCash: 238	Re: How come Heavyweights often take less damage throughout a fight than lower weight The smaller guys don't have the knockout power of the heavies. A heavyweight contender with 80% KO rate is not that exceptional, a SFW with that percentage is rather rare. On top of that, the small guys have about double the punch output. So they hit each other more often per round and go more rounds due to the relative lack of knockout power. Yep, it's more healthy to be a heavyweight.
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Flexb GQ Smooth ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,250 vCash: 1000	Re: How come Heavyweights often take less damage throughout a fight than lower weight A heavyweight usually lands clean and ends a fight. Lighter weights can really rack up the damage taking consecutive clean punches round after round. Also heavies like to hug and kiss each other throughout most of the fight. It's usually a 1-2 combo, hug n' smooch, wait for ref to step in.
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