Bert Sugar's top 10 ATG - Page 4

burt bienstock · 01-03-2013, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Shake

This guy makes Bert look evenkeel.

S, to make yourself seem more knowledgeable you have to demean me ?

TheSouthpaw · 01-03-2013, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by burt bienstock

S, to make yourself seem more knowledgeable you have to demean me ?

You kinda had it comin there Bud!!!

iceferg · 01-03-2013, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by McGrain

Fair play to him though. I admit it, straight up, I would change my list if i had him at #4 and found out he was going to be in the studio. I would move him to #2.

yeah, wouldn't mess with holmes

turbotime · 01-03-2013, 09:39 PM

Sigh. No Bert.

Ali
Louis
Holmes
Marciano
Lennox
Foreman
Frazier
Holyfield
Johnson
Dempsey

tezel8764 · 01-03-2013, 09:43 PM

I actually felt sorry for Holmes being one of the few guys to turn up to the show to find out you're at the bottom.

TheSouthpaw · 01-04-2013, 12:00 AM

Ranking Johnson over Marciano is just blasphemy...

IntentionalButt · 01-04-2013, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by LittleRed

What's crazy is that's a p4p list not just heavyweight.

Unforgiven · 01-04-2013, 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by HOUDINI

prime Ali was a very hard target to hit and was able to cut opponents to ribbons with his punches. Against Liston in fight one he ripped open his face, broke his nose and eye orbital bone all while finishing the fight completely unmarked.

I don't believe that.
Any proof of that ? A doctor's report etc.

McGrain · 01-04-2013, 04:14 AM

I've never read anything like that either, and there were seven doctors in attendence to rule upon the shoulder.

Shake · 01-04-2013, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by burt bienstock

S, to make yourself seem more knowledgeable you have to demean me ?

Muhammad Ali at a lowly ten does indeed make Bert Sugar look evenkeel. I meant no more, no less.

Also, I did not know you had multiple accounts? Why?

MAG1965 · 01-04-2013, 05:43 AM

I would never put Foreman in the top 10. He lost too much at the high level. Frazier and Norton were devastating wins, but is that enough for top 10? Maybe I am not sure, but many people rank Foreman higher because of his second career.

lufcrazy · 01-04-2013, 06:46 AM

Even though I disagree with the list, the documentary was great. Although a bit factually inaccurate if I recall as burt makes no reference to Dempsey and Johnson avoiding black contenders. I'm sure he called Brennan, Fulton and Willard the best 3 HW fighters when Dempsey destroyed them.

He goes to great lengths explaining how Johnson chased burns all over the country yet skips the fact Langford did the same to him.

It was a great watch and probably the show that inspired me to delve into boxing history "how can all these be greater than Lewis" I remember asking.

Then I remember coming on here asking why some revered dempsey like a god and others thought he was smoke and mirrors. great documentary though.

Seeing him justify to Larry why he's bottom was classic. I'd have put him number 1 had he been sat there.

lufcrazy · 01-04-2013, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by MAG1965

I would never put Foreman in the top 10. He lost too much at the high level. Frazier and Norton were devastating wins, but is that enough for top 10? Maybe I am not sure, but many people rank Foreman higher because of his second career.

I am pretty sure that near everyone ranks foreman higher due to his second career. Afterall he knocked out a top 5 hw at 46 to become a title holder once more.

dinovelvet · 01-04-2013, 07:13 AM

Thats his HW list he did for ESPN. nOT A P4P LIST.

BritInvasion · 01-04-2013, 07:40 AM

These are the p4p lists that I have from Sugar:

BERT SUGAR (2006):
1 Robinson
2 Armstrong
3 Pep
4 Louis
5 Greb
6 Leonard(B)
7 Ali
8 Duran
9 Dempsey
10 Johnson

BERT SUGAR (1984)
1 Robinson
2 Armstrong
3 Greb
4 Dempsey
5 Leonard (B)
6 Louis
7 Walker
8 Langford
9 Canzoneri
10 Ali

01-03-2013, 09:39 PM	#49
turbotime Future Hall Of Famer East Side VIP Join Date: May 2012 Location: LA/Canada Posts: 17,562 vCash: 816	Re: Bert Sugar's top 10 ATG Sigh. No Bert. Ali Louis Holmes Marciano Lennox Foreman Frazier Holyfield Johnson Dempsey
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tezel8764 Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,947 vCash: 527	Re: Bert Sugar's top 10 ATG I actually felt sorry for Holmes being one of the few guys to turn up to the show to find out you're at the bottom.
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TheSouthpaw Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: St. Louis Posts: 2,904 vCash: 500	Re: Bert Sugar's top 10 ATG Ranking Johnson over Marciano is just blasphemy...
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McGrain Diamond Dog East Side VIP Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 34,756 vCash: 1000	Re: Bert Sugar's top 10 ATG I've never read anything like that either, and there were seven doctors in attendence to rule upon the shoulder.
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MAG1965 P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Dallas,Texas. Posts: 17,400 vCash: 1010	Re: Bert Sugar's top 10 ATG I would never put Foreman in the top 10. He lost too much at the high level. Frazier and Norton were devastating wins, but is that enough for top 10? Maybe I am not sure, but many people rank Foreman higher because of his second career.
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01-04-2013, 06:46 AM	#57
lufcrazy requiescat in pace East Side VIP Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: England, Up North Posts: 22,448 vCash: 330	Re: Bert Sugar's top 10 ATG Even though I disagree with the list, the documentary was great. Although a bit factually inaccurate if I recall as burt makes no reference to Dempsey and Johnson avoiding black contenders. I'm sure he called Brennan, Fulton and Willard the best 3 HW fighters when Dempsey destroyed them. He goes to great lengths explaining how Johnson chased burns all over the country yet skips the fact Langford did the same to him. It was a great watch and probably the show that inspired me to delve into boxing history "how can all these be greater than Lewis" I remember asking. Then I remember coming on here asking why some revered dempsey like a god and others thought he was smoke and mirrors. great documentary though. Seeing him justify to Larry why he's bottom was classic. I'd have put him number 1 had he been sat there.
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dinovelvet Up Top To The Head East Side Guru Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 5,040 vCash: 910	Re: Bert Sugar's top 10 ATG Thats his HW list he did for ESPN. nOT A P4P LIST.
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01-04-2013, 07:40 AM	#60
BritInvasion keepin on keepin on ESB Full Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 365 vCash: 1000	Re: Bert Sugar's top 10 ATG These are the p4p lists that I have from Sugar: BERT SUGAR (2006): 1 Robinson 2 Armstrong 3 Pep 4 Louis 5 Greb 6 Leonard(B) 7 Ali 8 Duran 9 Dempsey 10 Johnson BERT SUGAR (1984) 1 Robinson 2 Armstrong 3 Greb 4 Dempsey 5 Leonard (B) 6 Louis 7 Walker 8 Langford 9 Canzoneri 10 Ali
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