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Old 01-18-2013, 05:15 AM   #1
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Default Top 10 P4P UK and Japan.

Two nations rich with boxing talent. My opinion.

UK
1. Carl Froch, 30-2 (22) IBF 168 title
2. Ricky Burns, 35-2 (10) WBO 135 title
3. David Haye, 26-2 (24)
4. Matthew Macklin, 29-4 (20)
5. Amir Khan, 27-3 (19)
6. Nathan Cleverly, 25-0 (12) WBO 175 title
7. Ola Afolabi 19-2-4 (9)
8. Kell Brook, 29-0 (19)
9. Tony Bellew, 19-1 (12)
10. George Groves, 16-0 (12)
-I think its pretty clear as far as who is in the top 10. I think the top 4 have a secure order. Khan could be argued to be below Afolabi or even Brook.
-Others worth debating are Tyson Fury, Martin Murray and then the tier below them would be the likes of Gavin Rees, James DeGale, David Price, and Carl Frampton.


Japan
1. Kazuto Ioka, 11-0 (7) WBA 108 title
2. Takashi Uchiyama, 19-0-1 (16) WBA 130 title
3. Shinsuke Yamanaka, 17-0-2 (12) WBC 118 title
4. Toshiyuki Igarashi, 17-1-1 (10) WBC/RING 112 title
5. Yota Sato, 26-2-1 (12) WBC 115 title
6. Koki Kameda, 29-1 (17) WBA 118 title
7. Hozumi Hasegawa, 31-4 (13)
8. Kohei Kono, 28-7 (11) WBA 115 title
9. Daiki Kameda, 26-3 (16)
10. Takahiro Ao, 23-3-1 (10)
-Ioka and Uchiyama, I expect most to rate Uchiyama higher. They are the top two. Hozumi, Daiki, Ao all retain their position in my eyes due to their success at the world level, despite fresh defeats since highly notable success. Ao is highly debatable. What can I say? It's how I feel. Same with the Kameda brothers. Both are sometimes called frauds, but both have terrific wins on their resume. So it is up to the beholder.
-6 on down from my list is pretty interchangeable depending on what you value. There are a lot of good choices to fill that void, particularly Ryo Miyazaka, Akira Yaegashi, and Akifumi Shimoda.

What do you think? It's always interesting to check up on where a country is at and how the depth of talent sways.
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Old 01-18-2013, 05:19 AM   #2
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i personally put Khan 2nd.

Reason being he has fought at a much higher level.

David Haye you could argue being higher, but i don't put him in my list due to him hardly ever fighting and not willing to fight any of his contemporaries.

Burns I like, but again, he has fought nowhere near the level of Khan.

And if they ever fought i think it would be an embarrassing mismatch in favor of Khan.
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Old 01-18-2013, 05:21 AM   #3
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I think the Britain is very rich in talent considering its size. I'm expecially impressed with the up and comers.

Quigg and Frampton i think are future champs. Definetly Frampton.

Also Groves, Degale and Bellew are doing very well.

Fury and Price could be the succesors to the Klitchko's

There are probably more i'm forgetting too
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Old 01-18-2013, 05:37 AM   #4
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i personally put Khan 2nd.

Reason being he has fought at a much higher level.

David Haye you could argue being higher, but i don't put him in my list due to him hardly ever fighting and not willing to fight any of his contemporaries.

Burns I like, but again, he has fought nowhere near the level of Khan.

And if they ever fought i think it would be an embarrassing mismatch in favor of Khan.
2 losses in a row don't lie. Peterson and Garcia were both sizable underdogs for a reason. Khan losing made them a big deal.

Burns has good opposition. Martinez, Katsidis, Mitchell, Moses. Not Khan's, but he's also beaten all of them and all within the past just over 2 years.

Size/weight would favor Khan too much in a potential Khan/Burns match.

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I think the Britain is very rich in talent considering its size. I'm expecially impressed with the up and comers.

Quigg and Frampton i think are future champs. Definetly Frampton.

Also Groves, Degale and Bellew are doing very well.

Fury and Price could be the succesors to the Klitchko's

There are probably more i'm forgetting too
I agree.

Frampton for sure.

Groves and DeGale could be reigning titlists with a good rivalry seemingly a must.

I don't think Fury and Price are that great, but they're good undefeated big HW's. Better than what most countries have in the HW department. They're exciting if nothing else.
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Old 01-18-2013, 05:48 AM   #5
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Very cool thread. I was snooping about a Japanese top 10 my own self, you did a good job I think. You'll have left someone out though I bet, that always happens...
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I'd swap Khan with Macklin and Ola with Cleverly.
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