Fury calling out on UFC champ Velasquez on Twitter

[BoxingAnalyst]

Originally Posted by Peter__1987

Well to be fair mate, if we're talking about a FIGHT. not an MMA match or a Boxing match, Who would you pick to beat Velasquez at this point? I'm not sure I can think of anybody.

Fact of the matter is, If Velasquez takes you down, you are as good as fucked.

If you have no BJJ or Wrestling background, well, your double fucked.

Let's be honest, How could Tyson Fury stop the takedown of a lifelong wrestler? It would be impossible, Cain would smash him to fucking pieces, same with the Klitschko's or whoever.

If you can't stop the takedown, Cain is gonna Fuck you up badly.

And I say this as a lifelong Boxing fan, but it's common sense.

Oh and just so people are happy, I acknowledge if this was a boxing match, Fury would destroy Cain.

But that's not what he's asking for here, He's challenged Cain to a FIGHT.

By sparking him out cold before he goes for the take down.

[Peter__1987]

Originally Posted by BoxingAnalyst

By sparking him out cold before he goes for the take down.

And you think Cain hasn't trained his whole life to avoid that?

Wrestlers know how to avoid being punched when they go in for a takedown, it's kind of important as you may guess, infact there are exactly certain takedown techniques designed especially to take boxers down to minimise the chance of taking a punch on the way in.

Randy used one on Toney, actually.

In a fight, I would literally put my life on Velasquez winning, I can't see how anyone of reasonable intelligence could think that someone who has never wrested could stop Cain's takedown. It would be close to impossible.

[196osh]

Originally Posted by Peter__1987

In a fight, I would literally put my life on Velasquez winning, I can't see how anyone of reasonable intelligence could think that someone who has never wrested could stop Cain's takedown. It would be close to impossible.

It is insane to think it would go down any in any other way.

There is a guy at the gym I train at great amatuer boxer, 6-0 as a pro, and very solid BJJ, a good blue belt wicked guillotine, and actually a good wrestler. Getting better at everything....

Get taken down and subbed 3-5 times a round by my coach.

[ero-sennin]

Anyone who thinks Fury would do him in a UFC match needs to get real. I prefer boxing but for fucks sake, stop this fanboy shit and have a bit of respect for these MMA guys. The same way Fury's dedicated his life to his craft, Velasquez has done the same with his. Two very different sports. And yeah, of course Fury would absolutely destroy him in a boxing match, but it's like saying "yeah, well Usain Bolt would get owned by Mo Farah in a long distance race". The same way Toney would've fucked up Couture in a boxing match. Doesn't mean anything, and vice versa doesn't mean anything either.

[Check_Hook]

Massive boxing fan, not so big on MMA.

But in a cage id would put everything i had on Cain early. Some one like Haye would fair much better than Fury.

[Synthetic Decay]

Originally Posted by moesizlak

Should make it happen Fury should attack him in the street and pound that MMA queer into kingdown come.

Why are retards like you not banned?

Fury would have zero chance.

[boranbkk]

Originally Posted by smjm089

In a boxing ring it seriously wouldn't last a minute fury would KO him with the first few punches Velasquez has been KOd before and i like mma but in a stand up fight Boxers flatten MMA fighters.

Sorry about the repost fellas, but it's as valid in this thread as it was the equally retarded Klitchko JDS thread.

Fury ain't got a chance those glass legs would shatter!!!!

When are boxing fans gonna realise there are MMA fighters that come from a Muay Thai background and that there are more than just HWs in MMA.

I love boxing, have maximum respect for the fighters and the sport, have supplemented my MT skills heavily with boxing, so it’s safe to say I’m a fan. Boxing fans often talk about science and sure the sweet science is a beautiful thing to watch, but in the context of the argument getting made on this thread, the science is flawed. I’m not saying a top boxer can’t crossover to MMA and do well, at some time one probably will, but on the whole it ain’t gonna happen on a regular basis unless the boxer supplements heavily with MT & BJJ for quite sometime to unlearn all those “bad” habits. And that’s the point really isn’t it, the time it takes to make a boxer top quality is time NOT spent on the mat learning how to grapple or in Thailand learning how to clinch, knee, elbow and kick.

Good hands aren’t exclusive to boxing, they are core weapons to MT and even more so in K1 Kickboxing. This idea that only boxers know how to throw a punch is bit old hat and not true. Boxers struggle to beat Muay Thai fighters of equal caliber let alone MMA fighters and all the variables MMA fights bring to the table. The dynamics and “science” is just all wrong for a boxer. Boxers are ill equipped to defend against any strike other than a punch (you really don’t wanna be defending kicks with your arms!), but the most important issue all the boxing guys are missing is that due to being so heavily dependent on their hands their essential foot placement and the weight distribution between their feet makes them sitting ducks for a competent multi limbed striker like a Muay Thai fighter with a brutal low kick and powerful straight knees.

This thread’s all very hypothetical, so lets look at a bit of fact:

The most high profile and quality boxer ever to fight MMA is the KO King Yodsanan Sityodtong (Yodsanan 3K Battery) a.k.a. “The Thai Tyson” WBA Super Featherweight Champ with a record of 58-3-1 (47KOs). He debuted in 2011 and has yet to set the MMA world alight. He is better placed than most boxers as he had a pro background in Muay Thai before he became a boxer. Nothing too great, he didn’t win a stadium belt, but he was a solid pro with dynamite hands.

Here he is fighting a quality MT fighter Bovy Sor Udomsorn. They fought twice with Bovy winning both times, dropping Yodsanan in the process and this is many years after Yod’s boxing debut. Bovy’s not a top tier fighter more like an MT version of Katsidis or Gatti, a warrior who’s always in good fights. Unfortunately this action packed round is all that’s available and you can see once the elbows & knees start sinking in the tide turns……and remember Yod’s got an MT background so imagine a boxer who doesn’t understand the complicated ”science” of MT!

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQRb8jaujFg[/ame]


Now that leads us onto this MMA debut. It was the all round package of his eight limbed MT that won him the fight not his boxing.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XI1vI7gC6g[/ame]


Look what happens when a better grappler gets hold of him.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFN_IMjuWnw[/ame]


Make of it what you will, but he’s the best example of a quality boxer in the MMA ring we have. He’s better placed than most boxers cos of his deep MT background, but one things very clear it ain’t as easy to cross over to MMA as many have said it would be for a boxer. One thing many boxing fans don’t understand is just how fundamentally the addition of one extra weapon makes to the dynamic of a fight let alone 6 added on top of your fists and then with the ground game thrown in with 4oz gloves! I'd say that's a whole new aspect to the “sweet science”.

As I said before I think this “if a boxer crossed over to MMA……..” stuff is a bit of a red herring. IMO the best chance MMA & Boxing fans have of seeing top quality striking in the cage is if more Thais or Thai trained foreigners crossed over. But truth is there’s enough money to be made in Thailand and Asia at the top tier of Muay Thai to keep the Thais away. (I can hear a huge sigh of relief form every western MMA fighter under 70kgs!)

[ROACH]

Where does this nonsense come from that boxers put most of their weight on their front foot?

[boranbkk]

Originally Posted by ROACH

Where does this nonsense come from that boxers put most of their weight on their front foot?

Their only weapons are their hands so hence are completely reliant on the weight distribution of their feet in a very dangerous range against a competent MT fighter.

[Rob_Floyd]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk4q-6kqeFU[/ame]

[Peter__1987]

Tyson really thinks he could beat Cain Velasquez in a fight

[boranbkk]

Originally Posted by Rob_Floyd

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Tyson's a total nutjob!

He seems intent on talking himself into a brutal battering not just in MMA but Muay Thai and K-1 as well!

What's that saying about pride coming before the fall.........

[Rob_Floyd]

Originally Posted by boranbkk

Tyson's a total nutjob!

He seems intent on talking himself into a brutal battering not just in MMA but Muay Thai and K-1 as well!

What's that saying about pride coming before the fall.........

Ghita should just feed him his hardest low kick next time they train together.

[slugger3000]

Originally Posted by Godsavethequeen

Dana White would not give James " lights out " Toney a rematch with Randy Coture with only boxing...but he is more than happy to let a Boxer with little to NO traing in the other techniques fight MMA in UFC..
Dana here is a little message for you..UFC sucks shit..And not ONE UFC fighter would even beat Fury at boxing
Oh and I dislike FURY

James Tony was talking shit and said he could take UFC fighters on in the octagon!

Fury is doing the same shit! Dana is not forcing these boxers to fight in the UFC.. They think they could use their boxing in a fight and they will catch a cold dose of reality in the Octagon! Facts are facts..

[slugger3000]

Boxing is a fantastic sport... A classy sport! I find it funny that these boxers are getting mad that the UFC HW champ is labeled the "Baddest Man on the planet"! Hahahaha... Cain would wreck Fury in a street fight or a UFC match.. Fury would win in a boxing match with gloves, a ref and standard boxing rules. Boxing is one form of martial arts!