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Old 02-27-2013, 08:47 AM   #2611
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Unless a Kameda is involved.
Unless Sturm is involved better said.
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Old 02-27-2013, 08:47 AM   #2612
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Unless Sturm is involved better said.
Sturm fought in Japan?
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Old 02-27-2013, 08:53 AM   #2613
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Sturm fought in Japan?
I was meaning as in home advantage, not necessarily Japan only.
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Old 02-27-2013, 09:02 AM   #2614
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I was meaning as in home advantage, not necessarily Japan only.
Yes but the original statement referred specifically to Japan and not home-cooking in general. If you follow the lines of quotes, it goes:

"There's usually very good judging in Japan. ...Unless a Kameda is involved." (as I put it)

or

"There's usually very good judging in Japan. ...Unless Sturm is involved." (as you put it)

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Old 02-27-2013, 09:11 AM   #2615
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Oh and Sturm was on the wrong end of more decisions - even in Germany - than he benefited from.

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The # of times he got the short end of the stick in close contests > the # of times he came out ahead.

In the SD over Macklin, I scored 115-113 to Macklin but could see a draw easily.

In the draw with Murray, I actually had it 116-112 to Sturm.

In the loss to Geale, I had it 115-113 Sturm.

In the loss to Soliman, I had it 114-113 Sturm.

...and of course there's DLH.

So one time. ONE time, it went his way, against Macklin. Out of five close & controversial bouts.

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Old 02-27-2013, 09:36 AM   #2616
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Yes but the original statement referred specifically to Japan and not home-cooking in general. If you follow the lines of quotes, it goes:

"There's usually very good judging in Japan. ...Unless a Kameda is involved." (as I put it)

or

"There's usually very good judging in Japan. ...Unless Sturm is involved." (as you put it)


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Old 02-27-2013, 01:22 PM   #2617
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Old 02-27-2013, 01:31 PM   #2618
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Kirk right now, said he takes under consideration for the Close/Wide UD's two most fair judges scorecards.

As in Smith SD - 116-111/113-114/116-111. Kirk will take under consideration 116-111. That's 8-4 minus point deduction. so 8-4 would be the closest. And if you got crazy ideas you can also say 8-3 taking into consideration a point deduction.You can also take in consideration draw rounds, like you posted above. 11-1-0 etc.
Bump.

So what do you guys think on UD's based on rounds ratio with variations?
By variations I mean points deduction, and draw rounds.
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Old 02-27-2013, 02:02 PM   #2619
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Bump.

So what do you guys think on UD's based on rounds ratio with variations?
By variations I mean points deduction, and draw rounds.
I still have a question about that...

If you don't count draw rounds and point deductions, and the fight ends up to be decided by those (take the Khan vs Peterson fight for example), then how is that bout scored?
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Old 02-27-2013, 02:37 PM   #2620
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I still have a question about that...

If you don't count draw rounds and point deductions, and the fight ends up to be decided by those (take the Khan vs Peterson fight for example), then how is that bout scored?
What was the rounds ration on that one ?
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Old 02-27-2013, 02:49 PM   #2621
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What was the rounds ration on that one ?
J1: 9-3 Khan
J2: 6-6
J3: 6-6
(peterson down once. Khan got 2 points deducted for pushing)

So without the deductions Khan would have won by close UD, now Peterson won by SD.
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Old 02-27-2013, 02:54 PM   #2622
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The scorecard at Peterson-Khan was 113-115 without the 3 faults deductions of Khan.

So that's a 7-5 for Khan, but Amir get's 3 points deduction so that makes 4-5 for Peterson. I guess if You have picked Peterson by 7-5 would've been the closest. If you had an epifeny and would've think that one round would be a Draw and say 7-6 for Peterson you would have been ever closer and beat the 7-5 prediction.

113-112 where the cards after deductions the guy who picks 7-5 (as in smalles diference in rounds) for Peterson wins 10-9 the WBK round.
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Old 02-27-2013, 02:57 PM   #2623
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J1: 9-3 Khan
J2: 6-6
J3: 6-6
(peterson down once. Khan got 2 points deducted for pushing)

So without the deductions Khan would have won by close UD, now Peterson won by SD.
By Kirk's rules 9-3 is ruled out.
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Old 02-27-2013, 03:00 PM   #2624
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The scorecard at Peterson-Khan was 113-115 without the 3 faults deductions of Khan.

So that's a 7-5 for Khan, but Amir get's 3 points deduction so that makes 4-5 for Peterson. I guess if You have picked Peterson by 7-5 would've been the closest. If you had an epifeny and would've think that one round would be a Draw and say 7-6 for Peterson you would have been ever closer and beat the 7-5 prediction.

113-112 where the cards after deductions the guy who picks 7-5 (as in smalles diference in rounds) for Peterson wins 10-9 the WBK round.
There were 2 point deductions for Khan, and the official scores were
Kha - Pet
115 - 110
112 - 113
112 - 113

without deductions it would be
Kha - Pet
117 - 110
114 - 113
114 - 113
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Old 02-27-2013, 03:03 PM   #2625
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There were 2 point deductions for Khan, and the official scores were
Kha - Pet
115 - 110
112 - 113
112 - 113

without deductions it would be
Kha - Pet
117 - 110
114 - 113
114 - 113
Peterson was down and 7-5 was transformed into 6-5, plus the 2 points deduction it transformed int 4-5. Same thing 7-6 is the closest followed by normal 7-5 for Peterson
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