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[IntentionalButt]

Originally Posted by dyna

Is Ruiz the Muhammad Ali of the clinchers or is there somewhere a guy who was better at it?

Maybe some 4-round tomato can that we never heard of.

Among televised boxers, the Quiet Man is king of hugging.

[BeastsideBoxing]

Originally Posted by Malden

Someone fix my cold

Oscillococcinum or antibiotics.

[IntentionalButt]

You're welcome Beast!

[BeastsideBoxing]

Originally Posted by IntentionalButt

More tricky than tall.

Before Rios, he wasn't very well-known (or even mentioned by the Cuban fans) and he is never someone you really look forward to watching. VERY ugly and negative style. Before Rios his biggest achievements were smacking around the badly diminished Miguel Acosta (who became shot overnight after his own loss to Rios) and lasting the distance in losses to Hank Lundy and Breidis Prescott.

I was ringside for his loss to Lundy. It is the worst fight I've ever witnessed in person in my life...and that includes sloppy brawls outside bars.

He is the kind that many label a "runner" but IMO his clinching is the worse problem. He puts Molina to shame. Up there p4p with Ruiz.

I was slightly favoring Bogere to win, but then i saw Abril is heavy favorite at bookies 1.3-1.4 decimal range(well not as heavy but still big fav). Someone told me if this goes the distance Abril will probably win a UD. It's quite likely this goes the distance, because Bogere is a smaller man, even if he has good power for his size. I asked if he fights tall because Sharif he has those overhand rights.

[BeastsideBoxing]

Originally Posted by IntentionalButt

You're welcome Beast!

I was writing an response.
Ty

[IntentionalButt]

Originally Posted by BeastsideBoxing

I was slightly favoring Bogere to win, but then i saw Abril is heavy favorite at bookies 1.3-1.4 decimal range. Someone told me if this goes the distance Abril will probably win a UD. It's quite likely this goes the distance, because Bogere is a smaller man, even if he has good power for his size. I asked if he fights tall because Sharif he has those overhand rights.

I think Abril's performance against Rios is getting blown out of proportion and people now think he is some master boxer.

He is average.

Rios is pretty basic to figure out, straightforward slugger. He is a relentless machine with frightening power and that makes him dangerous h2h and lets him compete among the elites, but he isn't some unsolvable puzzle. The fact that someone boxed him silly doesn't make the person Pernell Whitaker.

Abril got legitimately outpointed by Hammerin Hank Lundy, and by the mediocre Breidis Prescott (although that one was closer).

He isn't some master technician. He spoils a lot and has quick hands and a great chin. That's it. He's much worse to watch than some other guys who get criticized but don't seem to receive as much praise (Miguel Vazquez, Anselmo Moreno, Carlos Molina).

I can easily see Abril frustrating Bogere and not letting him land clean while getting in enough counters to rack up points...but no way is Bogere an 11/4 underdog. That is crazy. Bogere is a limited prospect, but he is very good - unbeaten with a non-padded record. The oddsmakers and those seeing this as some mismatch are suffering temporary insanity and need to realize that some of us have seen Abril on nights other than against Rios and therefore aren't swept up in this legendary mystique that has sprung up around that performance.

[IntentionalButt]

In case anyone tries telling you Abril got robbed against Prescott:

Prescott --- Abril
Landed 144 --- 95
Thrown 449 --- 516
Pct. 32% --- 18%


...and he didn't against Lundy, either. I was there. It also wasn't televised so anyone who tells you they saw it - unless they're from Boston like me - they are lying.

[Robney]

Originally Posted by IntentionalButt

...and he didn't against Lundy, either. I was there.

Pics or it didn't happen

[Malden]

Originally Posted by BeastsideBoxing

Oscillococcinum or antibiotics.

Alternate med and antibotics? Dunno about the first, and antibiotics sounds overkill.

[IntentionalButt]

Originally Posted by Robney

Pics or it didn't happen

http://i46.tinypic.com/1fxmhh.jpg

[Drew101]

Originally Posted by dyna

Is Ruiz the Muhammad Ali of the clinchers or is there somewhere a guy who was better at it?

Sammy Angott, back in the day.

[BeastsideBoxing]

Originally Posted by IntentionalButt

You haven't seen the clinic he put on Brandon Rios? (only to get robbed)

It was maybe the biggest controversy in all of boxing last year!

I don't care much about Brandon Rios, and didn't heard of Abril.

[IntentionalButt]

Originally Posted by BeastsideBoxing

I don't care much about Brandon Rios, and didn't heard of Abril.

I'm just surprised you didn't notice all the bitching that went on, it lasted all of 2012.

Plus, it was a big card, HBO PPV. Were you busy that weekend?

[BeastsideBoxing]

Sharif Bogere UD

[IntentionalButt]

Originally Posted by BeastsideBoxing

Sharif Bogere UD

Thattaboy!

Don't believe the hype!

(specifically the hype that if Bogere wins it automatically has to mean it's a robbery Everybody is jumping that bandwagon)