**** Kirks ESB Championships ****

[kirk]

JANUARY FIGHT LIST
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LEAGUE SCHEDULER
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PINOY PRODIGY

Assistant: Malden

* Result Commentary by Robney
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1/4 - Rances Barthelemy vs. Arash Usmanee - 12x3 IBF Super Featherweight Eliminator for #2 (ESPN2) - Barthelemy UD - 115-113/116-112/116-112 - Not a robbery like a couple think, especially Teddy Atlas, had it 115-113 Barthelemy myself (PinoyProdigy)
1/11 - John Molina vs. Dannie Williams - 10x3 (ESPN2) Molina KO4 - big right hook to the temple.
1/11 - Ronny Rios vs. Rico Ramos - 10x3 NABF Featherweight Title (Showtime) Rios UD - 100-90/97-93/96-94 - close bout as expected, one judge with a pre filled out card obviously.
1/12 - Adrian Hernandez vs. Dirceu Cabarca - 12x3 WBC Light Flyweight Title - Hernandez UD - 118-110/118-108/119-112
1/19 - Sergey Kovalev vs. Gabriel Campillo - 10x3 (NBC Sports Network)
1/19 - Orlando Salido vs. Miguel Angel Garcia - 12x3 WBO Featherweight Title (HBO)
1/19 - Gennady Golovkin vs. Gabriel Rosado - 12x3 WBA World & IBO Middleweight Titles (HBO)
1/19 - Roman Martinez vs. Juan Carlos Burgos - 12x3 WBO Super Featherweight Title (HBO)
1/25 - Miguel Gonzalez vs. Tony Luis - 10x3 (ESPN2)
1/25 - Serhiy Dzinziruk vs. Brian Vera - 10x3 (ESPN2)
1/25 - Demetrius Andrade vs. Freddy Hernandez - 10x3 (Showtime)
1/26 - Selcuk Aydin vs. Jesus Soto Karass - 10x3 (Showtime)
1/26 - Lucas Martin Matthysse vs. Mike Dallas Jr. - 12x3 Interim WBC Light Welterweight Title (Showtime)
1/30 - Daniel Geale vs. Anthony Mundine II - 12x3 IBF Middleweight Title (Australia Main Event)

[kirk]

**************KIRKS ESB CHAMPIONSHIPS 2012**************
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OFFICIAL RANKINGS
Robney 4-0 (3 KO) $25 Kovalev TKO7 Garcia TKO8 - war Salido! Golovkin KO2 MiniBurgos UD Geale UD
Mr Butt 4-0 (3 KO) $25
Tackleberry 4-0 (2 KO) 2011 Champion & Peoples Champion $25 Campillo UD Garcia KO GGG GKTFO Burgos UD
DemolitionDan 4-0 (2 KO) 2010 Champion $25 Sergey Kovalev by UD Gennady Golovkin by KO Miguel Mikey Garcia by UD
Rumsfeld 4-0 (2 KO) $25 Kovalev UD Garcia UD Golovkin KO4 Roman Martinez UD
Malden 4-0 (2 KO)$25 Campillo UD10, Salido TKO9, Martinez UD12, Golovkin KO3.
IntentionalButt 4-0 (2 KO)$25 Kovalev SD10 Campillo Burgos TKO11 Martinez Garcia UD12 Salido Golovkin KO7 Rosado
Jdr 4-0 (2 KO)$25
Nellybc 4-0 (2 KO) $25
Beastsideboxing 4-0 (2 KO)WBK Champion $25 Kovalev T/KO9 Garcia UD Golovkin T/KO5 Burgos T/KO8
Drinquor 4-0 (1 KO) $25
Lufcrazy 4-0 (1 KO) $25 campillo sd salido ko7 ggg ko3 martinez ud vera ko7 andrade ud aydin ud matthyse ko6 geale sd
DavidB 4-0 (1 KO) 2012 Champion $25 Garcia TKO Golovkin TKO Kovalev UD Burgos TKO
Brand 3-0 (2 KO) $25
Kirk 3-0 (1 KO)$25 Garcia UD GGG KO Burgos UD Kovalev by UD
BigBone 3-1 (2 KO) 2009 Champion $25 Salido TKO
Fighter2r 3-1 (1 KO) $25 Burgos ud. Golovkin tko. Kovalev ud.
PinoyProdigy 3-1 (1 KO)$25 Kovalev SD, Garcia TKO, Golovkin TKO, Burgos UD
Bladerunner 3-1 (1 KO)$25 Gabriel Campillo UD Miguel Angel Garcia KO Gennady Golovkin KO Roman Martinez UD Serhiy Dzinziruk UD Demetrius Andrade UD Selcuk Aydin KO Lucas Martin Matthysse KO Daniel Geale UD
des3995 3-1 (0 KO) $25 Garcia UD Campillo UD Golovkin KO4 Burgos UD
Honor 2-0 (2 KO) GGG KO 8 Aydin TKO 9 Geale TKO 10
PimpC 2-2 (1 KO)$25
WelshDevilRob 2-2 (1 KO) $25
BadBot 1-0 (1 KO)$25 Campillo UD Salido T/KO Rosado SD Vera MD Aydin UD Matthysse T/KO Geale UD
Jordan 0-1 (0 KO)$25 Sergey Kovalev TKO Garcia TKO Martinez TKO Golovkin TKO
Badlok 0-0$25 Campillo MD Garcia KO Burgos UD GGG KO
Bogotazo 0-0$25 Salido KO
Drew101 0-0$25 Kovalev KO 7 Campillo Upset Special: Martinez MD Burgos GGG KO 5 Rosado Garcia UD 12 Salido
boxer1982 0-0$25 I think it will be a 8round stoppage/tko for Garcia
SUPER TROJAN 0-0$25 I think Salido takes this one by KO. I say Salido KO7 Garcia.

[kirk]

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How will your picks hold up when they are open to challenge by anyone?
The Peoples Champion is our uncrowned gladiator, it is open for anyone, no matter how many fights you have, no matter what your record looks like, whether you come to the thread a few times a day or once a month, or you have never even posted in this thread before. Be the first to challenge the Champs picks and the title is up for grabs.


Current 'Peoples Champion':
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Tackleberry

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* 2011 LEAGUE Champion
* 5 Time Peoples Champion (All Time Leader)
* 2nd All Time Defenses of Title (4)
* 14-2 Championship record (All Time Leader)
* League ATG







Title Rein
1st Defense: vs BeastSideBoxing- Champion: Tackle (Groves) UD's Challenger: Beastsideboxing (Johnson)
2nd Defense: vs PinoyProdigy - Champion: Tackle (Adamek) SD's Challenger: Pinoy (Cunningham)
3rd Defense : vs Des3995 - Champion: Tackle (Molina) KO4 Challenger: Des (Williams)
* 1st Champion to make 3 defenses of title since PinoyProdigy, 12 Champions ago (2012) *



Next Fight:

VS

The Original Peoples Champion
LUFCRAZY
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RULES
- Anyone can participate, whether youre this years current champion or have never placed a pick in the league before. The challenge is open to all.
- There can not be a challenge issued by the same member in consecutive defences.
- If the Peoples Champion leaves for awhile, and goes 3 consecutive weeks without making a defence of his title, title is forfeited. In which case, the top two highest p4p (which will be determined at the time (Feature fight record, head to head record, money earnings, KO %, Total KO's, ect) will face eachother for the vacant title.
- The Peoples Champion must make his picks early (at least 4 days) so it gives challengers enough time to issue challenges.
- The first person to issue an available challenge will be the next challenger. The next challenge can not be issued until after the pending defence has been made. Once the result is in after the fight, the next issue may be challenged and met. No challenges made while there is a pending challenge will be counted.

Example
*Champ puts in picks
* First person to issue challenge is challenger
* While waiting for the fights outcome, be in days or hours, no challenges will be accepted.
* Once the result is official, the doors open to the next member to issue their challenge. Whoever is first, will get the challenge.
* Title fight picks must reflect actual league pick. (this does not apply to wagers). Both champion and challenger must be picking the same person in both the general league, and in their title fight.
* Should the Champion change his pick after having been challenged, he'll be stripped of the title, and the challenger will have first priority to fight for the now vacant title

[kirk]

Lineal History:
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Recent Lineage

NEW CHAMPION: David B!
* 3 Time Champion *
1st Defense: vs Robney - Champion: David (Broner) TKO's Challenger: Robney (Demarco)
2nd Defense : vs Brand - Champion: David (Green) UD's Challenger: Brand (Cameron)
* 1st Champion to make 2 defenses of title since PinoyProdigy 10 champions ago *
3rd Defense : vs Malden - Challenger: Malden (Geurrero) UD's Champion: David (Berto)



NEW CHAMPION: Malden!
* 2 Time Champion *
1st Defense: vs Kirk - Challenger : Kirk (JMM) KO's Champion : Malden (Pac)


NEW CHAMPION: Kirk!
* 1st Time Champion *
1st Defense: vs Tackleberry - Challenger : Tackle (Jamoye ) KO's Champion: Kirk (Haskins)


NEW CHAMPION: Tackleberry!
* 5 Time Champion *
1st Defense: vs BeastSideBoxing- Champion: Tackle (Groves) UD's Challenger: Beastsideboxing (Johnson)
2nd Defense: vs PinoyProdigy - Champion: Tackle (Adamek) SD's Challenger: Pinoy (Cunningham)
3rd Defense : vs Des3995 - Champion: Tackle (Molina) KO4 Challenger: Des (Williams)
* 1st Champion to make 3 defenses of title since PinoyProdigy, 12 Champions ago (2012) *

[kirk]

Peoples Championship
Records and Defences:



Longest Reigns
PinoyProdigy - 6
Tackleberry - 4
Bajingo - 3
Boppazoo - 3
BigBone - 2
David B - 2


Most Times Captured
Tackleberry - 5
David B - 3
BigBone - 2
Bajingo - 2
PinoyProdigy - 2
Robney - 2
Malden - 2



RECORDS
Tackleberry: 14-2 (5 Captures, 9 Defenses)
PinoyProdigy: 8-4 (2 Captures, 6 Defenses)
BoppaZoo: 4-1 (1 Captures, 3 Defenses)
David B: 7-5 (3 Captures, 4 Defenses)
BigBone: 4-3 (2 Captures, 2 Defenses)
Bajingo: 3-3 (2 Captures, 1 Defense)
Jordan1: 2-1 (1 Capture, 1 Defense)
Malden: 2-3 (2 Captures, 0 Defenses)
Samurai's Slice: 1-2 (1 Captures, 0 Defenses)
Bolieu: 1-2 (1 Captures, 0 Defenses)
Robney: 2-6 (2 Captures, 0 Defenses)
Kirk: 1-4 (1 Captures, 0 Defenses)
BeastsideBoxing: 0-1 (0 Captures, 0 Defenses)
Brand: 0-1(0 Captures, 0 Defenses)
BadBot: 0-1 (0 Captures, 0 Defenses)
Badlok: 0-2 (0 Captures, 0 Defenses)
Lufcrazy: 0-6 (0 Captures, 0 Defenses)



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[kirk]

SALIDO vs GARCIA
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FIGHT PURSE -
$20 (how much winners will get for picking it right)
$10 BONUS (For getting a KO)


Salido vs Garcia
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Salido
BY STOPPAGE
Lufcrazy KO7
Malden TKO9
Bogotazo
BigBone
SuperTrojan
Badbot

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BY UD

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BY MD/SD









Garcia
BY STOPPAGE
Robney TKO8
Bladerunner
DavidB
Jordan
Badlok
PinoyProdigy
Tackleberry
boxer1982 TKO8


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BY UD
Beastsideboxing
IntentionalButt
Kirk
Drew101
DemolitionDan
Rumsfeld
des3995

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BY SD/MD









OUR PICKS by the Numbers


Salido - 6
by:
KO/TKO: 6
UD:
SD/MD:



Garcia - 15
by
KO/TKO: 8
UD: 7
SD/MD:





Salido - 6
Garcia - 15


LEAGUE PICKS - Garcia by KO!

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* DANS BREAKDOWN *

Orlando Salido vs. Miguel Mikey Garcia

Now, here's the big one for this weekend. Orlando Salido and Miguel Mikey Garcia. Right off the bat I'll say this, this is a tricky fight to call, and you pretty much can't give off a really good prediction. Usually, with big fights like this, you get tendencies, you get an idea of how fighters react in certain situations, but this is one of those fights with a lot of unknowns. This is Mikey Garcia's first world title and this is his first fight against a really, really, really good fighter. One of the reasons why this is a 'who knows' type fights, actually the main reason, is because of Garcia. It's not as if Garcia hasn't fought good fighters, he has, but he has broken down each and everyone of those good fighters he has fought. Some of the notable fighters he has taken on include Cornelius Lock, Matt Remillard, Bernabe Concepcion, and Jonathan Victor Barros. He's got a few nice scalps in there. He's just looked so dominate that we haven't seen him pushed. He has yet to be pushed and that's where the unknown factor comes into play. Just how will he react against a really good fighter, that's right in his face, giving him adversity? That's one of the many questions that we'll get an answer to on Saturday night.

We know about Orlando Salido. Salido is an aggressive, experienced, tough, smart fighter. He's got a who's who list of notable fighters that include Yuriorkis Gamboa, Cristobal Cruz, Robert Guerrero (Which technically now never happened because of a failed drug test), and JuanMa Lopez. Salido has the experience, fighting someone like Garcia isn't anything new to Salido.

One of the fun things about this fight is the contrast of styles. Salido, as mentioned, is an aggressive fighter, but a smart one, I'll get into that a little bit later, but Salido is an aggressive fighter. Garcia is more of an outside fighter, fighting behind his jab and just taking it easy on the outside. In all of his previous fights he's been able to dictate the pace. In this fight, It will be a lot harder to dictate the pace. And again, one of things we'll just have to see when this fight happens. Can Garcia fight and throw punches for 12 rounds? What about his stamina? Things like this. Garcia has an anemic punch output, so can he up it up, keep his power, and be able to stay on his feet? We'll just have to find out. It's a mystery, this fight is like a Sherlock Holmes movie...or show....you get where I'm going, it's a Sherlock Holmes type fight. A lot of mystery.

One of the things about both of them is that they are very smart. Garcia gets credit for that by most of the people that have seen him. And he is, he looks like he has a plan, he knows who he is and tries to execute it. Fights on the outside, a lot of feints, working his jab, looks for openings to unleash his left hook. Salido is a bit trickier, on the surface you don't look at him and say "He's a smart fighter." but he is. When you watch the Lopez rematch fight again, there's a lot of nuance to his game. This'd be easier if I had a video to demonstrate this, but Salido, as you may know, as that aggressive bob and weave-ish type style. One of the ways he was able to get through Lopez and land frequently was his ability to out think and feint out JuanMa Lopez. On the surface, Salido looks like just some aggressive brawler throwing punches, but there's definitely a method to his madness. It may not be pretty to look at like outside fighters such as Juan Manuel Marquez, Floyd Mayweather, or even a Miguel Mikey Garcia. But, in a way, it's better than those fighters because Salido is aggressive and has to put himself in harms way to get those openings.

So, overall, not only do these fighters have a lot of skill, but they are thinking fighters. It's not just brawn, but there is a lot of brains to their game. It's just one of those type fights that you don't see very often, and I'm as pleased as punch that this fight is going down. It's an early mega fight and Saturday is going to be a fun fight. Oh yeah, and for a prediction, you know, I'm going to go with Miguel Garcia. I think Garcia has "It" I think he's just one of those fighters that is that good, but when push comes to shove, he can step up in the big moments. I'm going to go with Garcia by decision, because, quite frankly, it's just tough for me to see Salido getting stopped. I know a quick boxrec search in Salido's 11 losses 5 of them have come via stoppage, but that was way back when he was teenager. Heck, just to put in perspective the last time he was stopped, Creed was the biggest rock band in the world with that Human Clay tour and what not, Roy Jones Jr was P4P the best in the world, the Twin Towers were still in New York, so basically, it's been a long, long time. None of us have seen Salido stopped, it tough to see him stopped now. Not that it can't happen, but it's just tough to see. If it were to happen, it'll from Garcia's left hook. Garcia has a wicked left hook, and Salido's best punch is a looping right hand. If Garcia is going to stop Salido, he'll anticipate the looping right hand coming, fire out the left hook and catch Salido. Remember, Lopez did in their rematch, one of the few rounds, if not the only round, Lopez won in that fight. Salido is vulnerable, but he's a tough hombre. We'll see what happens, but that about wraps it up. In the words of Bart Scott after the Jets upset the Patriots in the playoffs about two years ago: CAN'T WAIT!

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[kirk]

WAR!
*Who are you rooting for in this fight? Or do you have no rooting interest and are just hoping its a good fight?*





SALIDO
Kirk
Lufcrazy
IntentionalButt



GARCIA




GOOD FIGHT!
Rumsfeld
PinoyProdigy

[kirk]

-- Featured Fight --

The Gist
* Put down a little bit on how you think the fight will play out. It will also go into the featured fight video *


DemolitionDan
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Overall, not only do these fighters have a lot of skill, but they are thinking fighters. It's not just brawn, but there is a lot of brains to their game. It's just one of those type fights that you don't see very often, and I'm as pleased as punch that this fight is going down. It's an early mega fight and Saturday is going to be a fun fight. Oh yeah, and for a prediction, you know, I'm going to go with Miguel Garcia. I think Garcia has "It" I think he's just one of those fighters that is that good, but when push comes to shove, he can step up in the big moments. I'm going to go with Garcia by decision, because, quite frankly, it's just tough for me to see Salido getting stopped. I know a quick boxrec search in Salido's 11 losses 5 of them have come via stoppage, but that was way back when he was teenager. Heck, just to put in perspective the last time he was stopped, Creed was the biggest rock band in the world with that Human Clay tour and what not, Roy Jones Jr was P4P the best in the world, the Twin Towers were still in New York, so basically, it's been a long, long time. None of us have seen Salido stopped, it tough to see him stopped now. Not that it can't happen, but it's just tough to see. If it were to happen, it'll from Garcia's left hook. Garcia has a wicked left hook, and Salido's best punch is a looping right hand. If Garcia is going to stop Salido, he'll anticipate the looping right hand coming, fire out the left hook and catch Salido. Remember, Lopez did in their rematch, one of the few rounds, if not the only round, Lopez won in that fight. Salido is vulnerable, but he's a tough hombre. We'll see what happens, but that about wraps it up. In the words of Bart Scott after the Jets upset the Patriots in the playoffs about two years ago: CAN'T WAIT!



Kirk
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Well the way I see it is, I think Salido will win some rounds with his activity and pressure, but I think Garcia will improve on his performence against Barros, and up his game here. So I think the first round is a toss up, I think the 2nd round Salido starts to put in some good work, wins the round. This is the trend in 3rd and 4th, but somewhere in the middle rounds I think Garcia catches Salido with a sharp punch, and puts him down.... then proceeds to win the rounds.

Thats when the fight would get interesting. If Salido goes into warrior mode, I think he will wind up getting caught again, and put down again (I see this happening a few times) If he stays composed, as is the Salido way.... I see Garcia slowly starting to edge the rounds based off of cleaner punching, and hurting Salido a few more times maybe.

In the end I expect Garcia to win the fight due to a few knockdowns and comfortable judging in his favor (I dont think he will need it, but I think the judges will ensure a close decision goes to Garcia)

I think Garcias sharp, accurate punches will be too much for the old Salido to stand up to, and I see him getting hurt and dropped in between having good rounds, which by the end sees him behind on the cards and getting an L.

However,

* I am basing this on I think the Lopez fight was Salidos real last hurrah. That fight was hard on him and I just dont think he will return to that form again.
* I could be overestimating Garcias power
* I could be underestimating Salidos ability to box with Garcia without taking those fight changing shots.
* Maybe the judges will be more honest then I think, and Salido does have a chance to win a close fight, if its close and he deserves it.

We will see though, can not wait for this fight. I will be rooting hardcore for Salido here

Lufcrazy
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It seems the boxing world has made it's mind up on salido. The battle weary warrior is being cashed out to the next big thing in the division.

I really think we're gonna see the best salido ever. I think it will be a systematic beatdown over 9 rounds or so.

Warrrrrr Salidoooooo

[kirk]

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[huki]

Campillo UD
Salido TKO 9
Gennady Golovkin TKO 8
Burgos UD
Dzinziruk UD
Andrade UD
Soto Karass UD
Matthysse KO 6
Rodrigo Guerrero UD
Geale UD

Much respek.

[kirk]

Originally Posted by huki

Campillo UD
Salido TKO 9
Gennady Golovkin TKO 8
Burgos UD
Dzinziruk UD
Andrade UD
Soto Karass UD
Matthysse KO 6
Rodrigo Guerrero UD
Geale UD

Much respek.

Nice to have you put your picks in huki

[huki]

Originally Posted by kirk

Nice to have you put your picks in huki

Thank you, this league looks like a lot of work.

Oh yeah, forgot these..

Barthelemy UD
Molina KO4
Rios UD
Hernandez UD

[bronx]

Garcia by Stoppage Late

Rosado Stoppage Late

[David B]

haven't been able to come to ESB a lot lately because of work
but already there are 47 pages halfway january
that is a record
this league is booming
lots of new blood is finding the way here + old members are coming back
will be rooting for Salido because he is as pure and hardcore as a fighter could possibly be
he has great stamina + a tremendous heart and there is nothing flashy about him
simply a fighter through and through who talks with his fists and not his mouth
my kind of man

[IntentionalButt]

Originally Posted by David B

haven't been able to come to ESB a lot lately because of work
but already there are 47 pages halfway january
that is a record
this league is booming
lots of new blood is finding the way here + old members are coming back
will be rooting for Salido because he is as pure and hardcore as a fighter could possibly be
he has great stamina + a tremendous heart and there is nothing flashy about him
simply a fighter through and through who talks with his fists and not his mouth
my kind of man

Kirk's 2011 (12,515) and Kirk's 2012 (11,659) have set the bar high, but this one is on pace to reach nearly 17k.