Tony Ayala 'I Never Sparred With Pipino Cuevas'

[Senor Pepe']

Tony Ayala,

'It was a complete fabrication by my father. We were trying to sign a
deal with NBC Televsion, and Lou Duva tried to help us get more money.'

'Lou Duva had come up with an idea of getting me some attention, besides
my amateur background. He came up with an idea, that I sparred with
WBA Welterweight Champion - Jose 'Pipino' Cuevas when he was here
in San Antonio. He suggested, that I beat up Pipino, and they had to
pull me off him.'

'My father said yes to the idea. And he said that we can make up a story
that Pipino couldn't find any sparring partners to get in the ring with him,
and only me (14 1/2 years-old) was the only boxer willing to get in the ring
with Pipino.'

'But I asked, but what about pictures of me sparring with him. Lou Duva said
don't worry about it, nobody will ask for anything. Those guys at NBC believe
anything I tell them.'

[Flea Man]

Fuck Ayala and his deluded fans

[Senor Pepe']

Mr. Flea -

Here is some of the story.

Jose 'Pipino' Cuevas had ventured up to San Antonio, Texas in May 1977 -
not to spar, but as an invited guest to watch his Mexican-compatriot Rodolfo Martinez
(the former WBC Bantamweight Champion) take on San Antonio's Mike Ayala in
a 10-Round Super-Bantamweight bout.

The bout was held on Tuesday Night - May 17, 1977 at the Municipal Auditorium.

What happened, was that Pipino visited Rodolfo Martinez while he was in San Antonio,
and watched his final work-out session on Monday - May 16th, at the San Fernando Gym
before the Tuesday Night bout.

Tony Ayala Sr. was the boxing coordinator of the Training Center/Boxing Gym. Little Tony
had been working out there, in preperation for his upcoming June 1977 Tournament at
the National Junior Olympics in Lincoln, Nebraska.

Now, Tony Ayala Jr. was a very good fighter, but the only thing he had won was a
1977 Junior Tournament, at Welterweight.

Supposedly, Pipino did watch Tony Ayala Jr. spar a few rounds, but he never got in
the ring with 14 1/2 year-old.

[MagnaNasakki]

I had heard that the whole thing was fake, but if you've got a credible link to that quote, this settles it completely.

I'd like to see where the quote was printed or published.

[Flea Man]

Originally Posted by MagnaNasakki

I had heard that the whole thing was fake, but if you've got a credible link to that quote, this settles it completely.

I'd like to see where the quote was printed or published.

Me too. The source is vital to finally put this to bed.

[MagnaNasakki]

Originally Posted by Flea Man

Me too. The source is vital to finally put this to bed.

I hate bullshit sparring stories.

Telling a lie about how a sparring session went earns special ire with most professional prizefighters. A. It's a pride and honor thing, and B. It perpetuates the myth that sparring is actually serious amongst 95% of decent fighters and amounts to anything more than extensive practice.

Guys like Mel Taylor are exceptions, outliers. If you come into sparring and start beating up your partners ruthlessly like it's fight night, you are going to run out of work.

[Senor Pepe']

The Galveston Daily News,

Followed up on this supposed story,,,,,,

Nobody could be found, who saw Pipino Cuevas in the ring with Tony Ayala Jr.
other than Tony Ayala Sr. and Lou Duva.

Even Joseph Souza, who was the Director of Parks and Recreations of San Antonio,
and the cornerman of Tony Ayala Jr. said,

'I never saw Pipino at the San Fernando Gym, but was told by Tony Ayala Sr., that
Pipino was there, and Tony Jr. was doing a number on him, and that the session was
called off after 2 rounds.'

[AlFrancis]

I've just sent Cuevas a message on facebook and asked him straight. If I hear anything I'll let you know.

[MagnaNasakki]

A 14 year old beating up a grown, world class boxer always stank to me.

I wouldn't even get in the ring with a teenager that young. It's morally unjustifiable to throw heat at a kid that young.

[sandy mac]

Fuck tony Ayala ! He is s piece of shit and back in prison whee all rapists should be. The guy had it all and blew it ! I hope he is getting the same thing on the inside that he put his victims through ! May he Rot in prison the hell !

[Lord Tywin]

I dont know if it happened or didnt, and dont much care. That being said, Pepe has lied and made up "interviews" in the past so I'll be more apt to believe it when I see the real thing. Also, what would one expect Cuevas to say?

[MagnaNasakki]

Originally Posted by Lord Tywin

I dont know if it happened or didnt, and dont much care. That being said, Pepe has lied and made up "interviews" in the past so I'll be more apt to believe it when I see the real thing. Also, what would one expect Cuevas to say?

Most pro's aren't ashamed of a beating in sparring. It's sparring. Scripts get flipped all the time.

I embarrassed Riddick Bowe once when we were younger boys in New York. He beat me up a share of times, as well. It's all part of the process.

A champion has sparred so many thousands of rounds they might even blur together.

[Senor Pepe']

David McKenna,

News Sports Writer for the Galveston Daily News.

He 'never' believed the fabrication either, so he tried to find out if
anyone had witnessed this sparring session in San Antonio at the
San Fernando Gym.

No film, no photo's, no witnesses.

[AlFrancis]

Originally Posted by Lord Tywin

I dont know if it happened or didnt, and dont much care. That being said, Pepe has lied and made up "interviews" in the past so I'll be more apt to believe it when I see the real thing. Also, what would one expect Cuevas to say?

What, are you saying that Cuevas would lie about it before you've even heard what he has to say?

[Lord Tywin]

Im saying that of anyone in the wide world who would have an interest keeping down a story where Cuevas got his ass kicked by a teenager it would be Cuevas. Does that surprise you?

And yes, Im saying that what Pepe has to say about ANYTHING cannot be taken seriously after having been caught outright lying numerous times on this forum.