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Old 01-06-2013, 06:57 PM   #46
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Yeah...you know it is true...plenty of men you could have put prime tyson in a room with and he would have pissed his pants (a gun makes all those punches kind of meaningless). I mean..no one thinks Max Schemlling was the baddest man in Germany doring the 1930s do they? that title belonged to a 150 pound vegetarian art school reject. Same holds true for the boxing champs AND mma champs of today.
I meant baddest man on the planet in a physical, one-on-one fight scenario, not in a sick, twisted, evil sort of way.
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Old 01-06-2013, 07:19 PM   #47
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If Vitali were a bit more well known worldwide he might be able to have taken up that mantle. He's always had that steely Cold War psycho killer look to him, and was until recently generally able to back it up in the ring with merciless beatdowns. Wlad, and before him Lennox, were a bit too mild mannered and gentlemanly IMO.
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Old 01-07-2013, 12:39 AM   #48
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wlad is like Lewis in that he's far too cerebral to ever be seen as the baddest man on the planet.
Either of them would still obliterate prime Fedor, let alone...who's "the man" in that sport now? Velasquez?
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Old 01-07-2013, 03:03 AM   #49
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Six Million Dollar Man was awesome though. As a kid, I used to run around in slow motion trying to imitate his bionic run -- it was awesome!

Yeah, me and my brothers used to have slow-mo bionic man fights, with the sound effects.
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Old 01-07-2013, 04:44 AM   #50
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The amount of badass in this post got me so pumped up that I felt the need to drop everything I was doing, go to the market, procure 10 lbs of steak, and force feed it to myself in spite of the burden incurred to my body. Thereafter I hit a personal best on bench, squat, and deadlift all on the same session. My exercise session culminated with punching a hole through a 100 lb heavy bag after only having landed one right jab and then a left uppercut-hook hybrid off the backfoot. Yes, I was so amped up that I went into southpaw stance and launched a highly unorthodox punch.

tl;dr - RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWR

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I've never thought of the heavyweight boxing champion as the baddest man on the planet. As much as I revere Muhammad Ali, or as scary as Mike Tyson was in the 80s I always figured that a Navy Seal would gouge their eyes and tear their throats out hand to hand, or just shoot or knife them. Boxers are athletes after all. They are very good at fighting but the kind of things I've heard people getting medals of honor for are far more impressive than boxing with Joe Frazier. Same goes for MMA guys. The baddest man on the planet is a soldier.

1974-present Chris Kyle: US Navy Seal sniper Iraq War, 160 confirmed kills
1942-1999 Carlos Hath****: Vietnam marine sniper 93 confirmed kills
1931-2007 Zhang Taofang: Chinese Korean War sniper, 214 kills in 32 days
1924-1999 Lloyd L. Burke: MOH Korean War, killed 100 men, 2 mortar, 3 machine gun nests
1924-1971 Audie Murphy: most decorated American ww2, fought off a company from a burning tank
1924-2004 Matthaus Hetzenauer- German ww2 sniper, 345 kills
1922-present Hiroo Onoda: guerrilla fighter surrendered 30 years after ww2 was over
1922-1993 Erich Hartmann: German ww2 ace, 352 aerial victories, 1,404 combat missions
1921-1945 Kurt Knispel: German ww2 tank ace, 168 destroyed enemy tanks
1921-2008 Leo Major: captured a city single handed in WW2
1919-1942 Hans-Joachim Marseille: German ww2 ace, 158 victories over western forces
1919-present Ivan Sidorenko: Russian ww2 sniper, 500 kills
1918-1991 Poon Lim: survived alone on a life raft for 133 days, ate sharks
1916-1982 Hans-Ulrich Rudel: ww2 german stuka pilot, 2,530 combat missions, 800 vehicles, 519 tanks, 150 artillery pieces, a destroyer, two cruisers, one Soviet battleship, 70 landing craft, 4 armored trains, several bridges and nine aircraft which he shot down.
1916-1974 Lyudmila Pavlichenko: Russian ww2 sniper, 309 confirmed kills
1915-1991 Vasily Zaytsev: Russian ww2 sniper, 242 verified kills
1914-1942 Michael Wittmann: German ww2 tank ace, 138 tanks, 132 anti-tank guns
1913-1994 Johannes Steinhoff: German ww2 ace 176 aerial victories
1908-1994 Charles Upham: New Zealand ww2, 2VCs, and some awesome escapes as a POW
1908-1975 Otto Skorzeny: German ww2, led a series of daring raids, rescued Mussolini
1906-1996 Jack Churchill: WW2 soldier fought with broadsword and bow
1905-2002 Simo Hayha: Winter War Finnish sniper 505 confirmed kills, +200 submachinegun
1898-1971 Chesty Puller: most decorated U.S. Marine in history 5 Navy Crosses
1892-1918 Manfred von Richthofen: Red Baron, German ww1, 80 air combat victories
1891-1952 Francis Pegamagabow: Canadian ww1 sniper, 378 kills, 300 captures
1887-1964 Alvin C. York: most decorated ww1 American, killed 28, captured 132, and 32 mchguns
1886-1943 Billy Sing: Australian ww1 sniper: 150 confirmed kills
1873-1937 Daniel Daly: 2MOH, killed 200 in Boxer Rebellion
1837-1876 Wild Bill Hickok: lawman, duelist, and gambler shot between 30 and 100 men
1824-1900 Liver-Eating Johnson: 12 year one man war against Crow Indians
1823-1887 John Prettyjohns: first VC recipient Cremea War, ran out of bullets, used rocks instead
1816-? Jonathan R. Davis: killed 11 bandits with 2 pistols and a bowie knife
1796-1836 James Bowie: knife fighter, frontiersman, soldier, died at the Alamo
1785-1865 Jean-Louis Michel: Napoleonic fencer, defeated 13 opponents in 40 minutes
1780-1833 Hugh Glass: killed bear with knife, left for dead, crawled 200 miles to safety
1763-1808 Lewis Wetzel: Indian Hunter, guerrilla sniper
1754-1834 Richard Martin: fought over 100 duels with swords, knives, and pistols, survived 2 shipwrecks
1664-1730 Donald McBane: swordsman, soldier, gambler, pimp, and author
1584-1645 Miyamoto Musashi: victor of 60 sword duels
1147-1219 William Marshal: defeated 500 knights in tourneys
996-1031 Grettir Ásmundarson: Icelandic outlaw 20 years, fought multiple opponents at a time
910-990 Egill Skallagrimson: viking, pirate, mercenary, duelist, poet
48BC Marcus Cassius Scaeva: Caesar's greatest soldier
54BC Titus Pullo: Roman Centurion, played a great game of chicken with another soldier
d.479BC Aristodemos: Spartan survivor of Thermopylae, hero of the Battle of Plataea
508BC Horatius Cocles: held an army off at a bridge until it could be destroyed
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Old 01-07-2013, 05:41 AM   #51
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Its not about the martial art itself...its about the individual and their attitude and fighting style. Vlad may be 6 6 and 250 with one punch knock out power but he will never be considered the baddest man on the planet, neither would Lewis for that matter.

Mike Tyson was the last boxer to legitimately claim the title. In fact there may only be three or four others in recent history. Sullivan, Dempsey, Liston and maybe Foreman would possibly make the grade. Doesn't mean they were the best fighters on the planet, and their prime is more or less irrelvant.....it was all about the ferocious way they went about their task.

Who is it now.....who cares.....I do know (given the time between the above mentioned ) it may be some time before its a boxer
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Old 01-07-2013, 04:38 PM   #52
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I've never thought of the heavyweight boxing champion as the baddest man on the planet. As much as I revere Muhammad Ali, or as scary as Mike Tyson was in the 80s I always figured that a Navy Seal would gouge their eyes and tear their throats out hand to hand, or just shoot or knife them. Boxers are athletes after all. They are very good at fighting but the kind of things I've heard people getting medals of honor for are far more impressive than boxing with Joe Frazier. Same goes for MMA guys. The baddest man on the planet is a soldier.

1974-present Chris Kyle: US Navy Seal sniper Iraq War, 160 confirmed kills
1942-1999 Carlos Hath****: Vietnam marine sniper 93 confirmed kills
1931-2007 Zhang Taofang: Chinese Korean War sniper, 214 kills in 32 days
1924-1999 Lloyd L. Burke: MOH Korean War, killed 100 men, 2 mortar, 3 machine gun nests
1924-1971 Audie Murphy: most decorated American ww2, fought off a company from a burning tank
1924-2004 Matthaus Hetzenauer- German ww2 sniper, 345 kills
1922-present Hiroo Onoda: guerrilla fighter surrendered 30 years after ww2 was over
1922-1993 Erich Hartmann: German ww2 ace, 352 aerial victories, 1,404 combat missions
1921-1945 Kurt Knispel: German ww2 tank ace, 168 destroyed enemy tanks
1921-2008 Leo Major: captured a city single handed in WW2
1919-1942 Hans-Joachim Marseille: German ww2 ace, 158 victories over western forces
1919-present Ivan Sidorenko: Russian ww2 sniper, 500 kills
1918-1991 Poon Lim: survived alone on a life raft for 133 days, ate sharks
1916-1982 Hans-Ulrich Rudel: ww2 german stuka pilot, 2,530 combat missions, 800 vehicles, 519 tanks, 150 artillery pieces, a destroyer, two cruisers, one Soviet battleship, 70 landing craft, 4 armored trains, several bridges and nine aircraft which he shot down.
1916-1974 Lyudmila Pavlichenko: Russian ww2 sniper, 309 confirmed kills
1915-1991 Vasily Zaytsev: Russian ww2 sniper, 242 verified kills
1914-1942 Michael Wittmann: German ww2 tank ace, 138 tanks, 132 anti-tank guns
1913-1994 Johannes Steinhoff: German ww2 ace 176 aerial victories
1908-1994 Charles Upham: New Zealand ww2, 2VCs, and some awesome escapes as a POW
1908-1975 Otto Skorzeny: German ww2, led a series of daring raids, rescued Mussolini
1906-1996 Jack Churchill: WW2 soldier fought with broadsword and bow
1905-2002 Simo Hayha: Winter War Finnish sniper 505 confirmed kills, +200 submachinegun
1898-1971 Chesty Puller: most decorated U.S. Marine in history 5 Navy Crosses
1892-1918 Manfred von Richthofen: Red Baron, German ww1, 80 air combat victories
1891-1952 Francis Pegamagabow: Canadian ww1 sniper, 378 kills, 300 captures
1887-1964 Alvin C. York: most decorated ww1 American, killed 28, captured 132, and 32 mchguns
1886-1943 Billy Sing: Australian ww1 sniper: 150 confirmed kills
1873-1937 Daniel Daly: 2MOH, killed 200 in Boxer Rebellion
1837-1876 Wild Bill Hickok: lawman, duelist, and gambler shot between 30 and 100 men
1824-1900 Liver-Eating Johnson: 12 year one man war against Crow Indians
1823-1887 John Prettyjohns: first VC recipient Cremea War, ran out of bullets, used rocks instead
1816-? Jonathan R. Davis: killed 11 bandits with 2 pistols and a bowie knife
1796-1836 James Bowie: knife fighter, frontiersman, soldier, died at the Alamo
1785-1865 Jean-Louis Michel: Napoleonic fencer, defeated 13 opponents in 40 minutes
1780-1833 Hugh Glass: killed bear with knife, left for dead, crawled 200 miles to safety
1763-1808 Lewis Wetzel: Indian Hunter, guerrilla sniper
1754-1834 Richard Martin: fought over 100 duels with swords, knives, and pistols, survived 2 shipwrecks
1664-1730 Donald McBane: swordsman, soldier, gambler, pimp, and author
1584-1645 Miyamoto Musashi: victor of 60 sword duels
1147-1219 William Marshal: defeated 500 knights in tourneys
996-1031 Grettir Ásmundarson: Icelandic outlaw 20 years, fought multiple opponents at a time
910-990 Egill Skallagrimson: viking, pirate, mercenary, duelist, poet
48BC Marcus Cassius Scaeva: Caesar's greatest soldier
54BC Titus Pullo: Roman Centurion, played a great game of chicken with another soldier
d.479BC Aristodemos: Spartan survivor of Thermopylae, hero of the Battle of Plataea
508BC Horatius Cocles: held an army off at a bridge until it could be destroyed
I think the OP was referring to a one-on-one unarmed brawl. Mentioning soldiers is kind of pointless. Obviously on the battlefield the HW champ would be at a complete loss, assuming he'd never been on a battlefield before, but we're talking about if they decided to fight someone outside a pub.

In that scenario the HW champ would most likely batter all the above men, badass as they are in their own way. Shooting/stabbing someone is very different from fighting someone hand-to-hand. That's why I laugh when you get all these dipshits on the internet who claim NAVY seals would be some kind of unstoppable badasses in a bar fight. Bollocks they would. They primarily train to fill people with lead. Not hit people.
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Old 01-07-2013, 04:48 PM   #53
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No, not with guys like Anderson Silva, Jon Jones, Jose Aldo, etc. around with their crazy shit when they fight.
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Either of them would still obliterate prime Fedor, let alone...who's "the man" in that sport now? Velasquez?
I seriously doubt that. And it does pain me to say that. Boxing is my sport, but a lot of these top-tier MMA guys, including the oh-so-great Fedor, would overwhelm most top-tier boxers in a one-on-one, no-holds-barred fight. I know that will offend the long-time, hardcore boxing fans and traditionalists, but I don't see how any rational person could think otherwise. I mean, it's not a knock against boxing per se; it's just a knock against the whole notion of a professional boxer being the baddest, toughest man alive who could kick anyone's butt.
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I seriously doubt that. And it does pain me to say that. Boxing is my sport, but a lot of these top-tier MMA guys, including the oh-so-great Fedor, would overwhelm most top-tier boxers in a one-on-one, no-holds-barred fight. I know that will offend the long-time, hardcore boxing fans and traditionalists, but I don't see how any rational person could think otherwise. I mean, it's not a knock against boxing per se; it's just a knock against the whole notion of a professional boxer being the baddest, toughest man alive who could kick anyone's butt.
And I could definitely see a guy like Larry Holmes just arrogantly walking into an MMA fight (just like James Toney) thinking his stellar jab and great boxing skills would overwhelm any type of fighter. That would be something to see.
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Old 01-07-2013, 08:03 PM   #57
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The heavyweight boxing champion as "the baddest man on the planet"? That was dumb then and it's dumb now.

You really think that any heavyweight boxing champion would have an easy time with a wrestling champion of comparable size?

The boxer's only chance would be to strike first and get a quick KO. Otherwise, the wrestler will take the boxer down and from there the boxer is at a huge disadvantage. And this is from before MMA even existed.
Did you see Rocky Vs Thunderlips?
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Old 01-07-2013, 08:24 PM   #58
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Hopefully not - it's a gay corny yank term anyway.
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Old 01-07-2013, 09:38 PM   #59
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Sadly, no longer. This extreme sport generation only feels that way about MMA fighters. They try to duplicate those moves in the street instead of putting their dukes up the way we did in the '40s 'n '50s
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Either of them would still obliterate prime Fedor, let alone...who's "the man" in that sport now? Velasquez?
Fedor would have killed both of them.
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