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Old 01-04-2013, 11:03 PM   #1
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Looking at The Ring LHW ratings, is Nathan Cleverly the best LHW!

I dont tend to go by the Ring mag ratings, but I was browsing recently at the ratings and was shocked by what I saw.

Dawson is considered Ring champ, but only has one win over one of the Ring LHW top 10 fighters and a loss to another

Hopkins at #1 also only has one win over one of the Ring LHW top 10 fighters and a loss to another

Cloud placed at number 2 has a disputed win over #3 Campillo.

Campillo at #3 has a loss and a draw with #6 Murat

Now this is where it gets very interesting
Cleverly at #4 has taken the 0 off of two of the Ring mags top 10 fighters, numbers 6 & 9 and #5 wouldnt fight him. #6 took the 0 of #3, and #8 pulled out of fighting Cleverly.
So Nathan beat undefeated #6 Murat, undefeated #9 Bellew, #5 Shumenov wouldnt fight him and #8 Braehmer pulled out against him, #1 Hopkins didnt seem interested in fighting him and #10 Pascal has just struggled with a Cleverly 4th round stoppage victim.
Nathan has done more than people realise
Number 10, Pascal has beaten Dawson, but recently was fighting a Cleverly leftover last month and couldnt stop a fighter Nathan handled and in 4 rounds, yet Pascal put Hopkins down twice.

4. Nathan Cleverly
5. Beibut Shumenov
6. Karo Murat
7. Isaac Chilemba
8. Juergen Braehmer
9. Tony Bellew
10. Jean Pascal


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Old 01-05-2013, 01:30 AM   #2
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His opposition has been shameful he needs to start calling out the big dogs fast.

Im a fan tho, would love to see him fight Dawson.
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Old 01-05-2013, 03:21 AM   #3
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His opposition has been shameful he needs to start calling out the big dogs fast.

Im a fan tho, would love to see him fight Dawson.
He has called them out. Cleverly is avoided if anything, and has fought 2 of the current top 10, taking their undefeated records
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How the **** can they have Pascal at 10? I guess inactivity really does kill in the rankings.
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Calzaghe MKII...the americans are too afraid so try and stain him image with ''he wont fight anyone'' while in reality they are all running like cowards.
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Calzaghe MKII...the americans are too afraid so try and stain him image with ''he wont fight anyone'' while in reality they are all running like cowards.
It must worry a fighter like Hopkins, who avoided an undefeated fighter from Wales for years, and now there is another undefeated fighter from Wales, in the same division as him
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How the **** can they have Pascal at 10? I guess inactivity really does kill in the rankings.
Neer did like their ratings much, but Pascal was taken the distance by a fighter Cleverly stopped in 4
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No...

Dawson is the best light heavyweight in the world.

A good debate would be "is Cleverly better or more accomplished than Beibut Shumenov" because at the moment I would say no.
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Old 01-05-2013, 05:12 AM   #9
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Dawson is the best light heavyweight in the world.
Pascal might have something to say about that.
Dawsons biggest win is over a 47 year old, and Dawson has made alot of his career fighting far older fighters.
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A good debate would be "is Cleverly better or more accomplished than Beibut Shumenov" because at the moment I would say no
Why would you say no?
Shumenov has a debateable win and loss to Campillo, and Cleverly beat the undefeated fighter Murat, who took Campillos 0 and drew with Campillo before Campillo looked to have beaten Cloud, and Nathan was clearly winning against undefeated Murat before the retirement.
Then you have Nathan beating undefeated Bellew, who beat Miranda, who I read was putting Dawson down in sparring.
It all looks like Cleverly is the top dog
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Pascal might have something to say about that.
Dawsons biggest win is over a 47 year old, and Dawson has made alot of his career fighting far older fighters.

Why would you say no?
Shumenov has a debateable win and loss to Campillo, and Cleverly beat the undefeated fighter Murat, who took Campillos 0 and drew with Campillo before Campillo looked to have beaten Cloud, and Nathan was clearly winning against undefeated Murat before the retirement.
Then you have Nathan beating undefeated Bellew, who beat Miranda, who I read was putting Dawson down in sparring.
It all looks like Cleverly is the top dog
You're damn near trolling...

1. Pascal lost twice to the guy who Dawson immediately convincingly defeated. Add Hopkins to Adamek, Johnson X2, Tarver X2, and Diaconu. No contest between Pascal and Dawson, now or entire career.

2. As debatable as his well known rematch win with Campillo was, his first defeat to him is equal. So, if he's 1-1 against Campillo, he has a win which surpasses that of Cleverly's best.

3. His "win" over Bellew which you boast of was a super tight fight which a draw would have seemed more appropriate and would have pleased the majority of fans. The reason why Bellew is in the top 10 is because of that performance. Because he fought even with Cleverly.

4. How in the world do you justify drawing your conclusions the way you do? I could say that Braehmer pulled out of the Shumenov fight 3 days beforehand, therefore Shumenov beat him and won his WBO title, the same one which Cleverly was given while vacant because of said pulling out of fight. That makes Shumenov a unified titlist. So if I were as dumb as you, I'd say Cleverly is doing nothing more than keeping Shumenov's belt warm and paying his sanctioning fees for him. He isn't beating any contenders for Beibut though, he's simply finding guys out of anywhere to fight.

5. Yeah, you're trolling...
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Old 01-05-2013, 06:23 AM   #11
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Dawson's win over Hopkins is next to meaningless, it's clear to anyone that the Pascal fights took it all out of Bernard. The two times Dawson has stepped up to world level, he was beaten convincingly. Dawson has made his name beating up old men on the American domestic circuit, but has been found out at world level.

That same Pascal who beat Dawson, is ranked below two fighters Cleverly has already beaten. Unfortunately it looks like the top dogs don't want to give Clev a shot, as shown in that video with Frank, which is a shame because I'm sure Clev is sick of wasting his time with the Krasniqi's and Karpency's.
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Looking at The Ring LHW ratings, is Nathan Cleverly the best LHW!

I dont tend to go by the Ring mag ratings, but I was browsing recently at the ratings and was shocked by what I saw.

Dawson is considered Ring champ, but only has one win over one of the Ring LHW top 10 fighters and a loss to another

Hopkins at #1 also only has one win over one of the Ring LHW top 10 fighters and a loss to another

Cloud placed at number 2 has a disputed win over #3 Campillo.

Campillo at #3 has a loss and a draw with #6 Murat

Now this is where it gets very interesting
Cleverly at #4 has taken the 0 off of two of the Ring mags top 10 fighters, numbers 6 & 9 and #5 wouldnt fight him. #6 took the 0 of #3, and #8 pulled out of fighting Cleverly.
So Nathan beat undefeated #6 Murat, undefeated #9 Bellew, #5 Shumenov wouldnt fight him and #8 Braehmer pulled out against him, #1 Hopkins didnt seem interested in fighting him and #10 Pascal has just struggled with a Cleverly 4th round stoppage victim.
Nathan has done more than people realise
Number 10, Pascal has beaten Dawson, but recently was fighting a Cleverly leftover last month and couldnt stop a fighter Nathan handled and in 4 rounds, yet Pascal put Hopkins down twice.

4. Nathan Cleverly
5. Beibut Shumenov
6. Karo Murat
7. Isaac Chilemba
8. Juergen Braehmer
9. Tony Bellew
10. Jean Pascal


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Seems Cleverly is arguably the best LHW of today
He has a good shot at beating anyone in the top 10! Cleverley has a big opportunity to capitalise on a division in flux! Wish he'd ****in fight someone though...

Dawson is ripe for the taking! Cleverley can start up were Zaggers left off! Forget the ****in Shawn Mohawks and make the fights frank u twat!
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Neer did like their ratings much, but Pascal was taken the distance by a fighter Cleverly stopped in 4
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Old 01-05-2013, 06:43 AM   #14
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Looking at The Ring LHW ratings, is Nathan Cleverly the best LHW!

I dont tend to go by the Ring mag ratings, but I was browsing recently at the ratings and was shocked by what I saw.

Dawson is considered Ring champ, but only has one win over one of the Ring LHW top 10 fighters and a loss to another

Hopkins at #1 also only has one win over one of the Ring LHW top 10 fighters and a loss to another

Cloud placed at number 2 has a disputed win over #3 Campillo.

Campillo at #3 has a loss and a draw with #6 Murat

Now this is where it gets very interesting
Cleverly at #4 has taken the 0 off of two of the Ring mags top 10 fighters, numbers 6 & 9 and #5 wouldnt fight him. #6 took the 0 of #3, and #8 pulled out of fighting Cleverly.
So Nathan beat undefeated #6 Murat, undefeated #9 Bellew, #5 Shumenov wouldnt fight him and #8 Braehmer pulled out against him, #1 Hopkins didnt seem interested in fighting him and #10 Pascal has just struggled with a Cleverly 4th round stoppage victim.
Nathan has done more than people realise
Number 10, Pascal has beaten Dawson, but recently was fighting a Cleverly leftover last month and couldnt stop a fighter Nathan handled and in 4 rounds, yet Pascal put Hopkins down twice.

4. Nathan Cleverly
5. Beibut Shumenov
6. Karo Murat
7. Isaac Chilemba
8. Juergen Braehmer
9. Tony Bellew
10. Jean Pascal


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Seems Cleverly is arguably the best LHW of today
You are not going to make Clevery any new fans with this bollox. I am a fan of Cleverly but pushing this shit in people's faces only serves as a deterrent. He already has a bad enough image as it is , the last thing he needs is the likes of you making it worse.
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Old 01-05-2013, 09:21 AM   #15
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Cleverly isn't a bad fighter. He's just very mediocre. I don't blame him for adopting a strict policy of only fighting bums. Long may it continue.
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