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Old 02-08-2008, 07:19 PM   #16
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Default Re: Was Joe Louis faster P4P than Roy Jones?

It's interesting Sweet Pea - here's how I see it. If you (somehow) get Jones licked, you got him licked. Because to lick him you have to be faster/somehow neutralise him. If you (somehow) lick Louis, you still haven't licked him. Because he has that lethal punch over shy distance and that is to be valued in many different situations.

Peronally, I'd rather "have" Louis' punching ability in any given p4p situation - but Jones punching speed is the superior of the two.
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Old 02-08-2008, 08:05 PM   #17
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Can't say. I can put it like this: Louis was better at getting there first, while Jones was the better counter puncher. The speed of their hands, i cannot say who wins.
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Old 02-08-2008, 09:23 PM   #18
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Can't say. I can put it like this: Louis was better at getting there first, while Jones was the better counter puncher. The speed of their hands, i cannot say who wins.
Are you by any chance blind?
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Old 02-08-2008, 09:36 PM   #19
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Ali's speed was up there when young.
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Old 02-08-2008, 09:37 PM   #20
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Attention Roy Jones experts. What Jones fights should I watch to get the best demonstration of Roys speed?
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Old 02-08-2008, 09:44 PM   #21
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Attention Roy Jones experts. What Jones fights should I watch to get the best demonstration of Roys speed?
Pazienza. It's on Youtube.
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Old 02-08-2008, 10:10 PM   #22
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Jones was quicker against Ruiz at heavyweight than Louis, forget super-middleweight.
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Old 02-08-2008, 11:05 PM   #23
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I think of Joe as more of the Bernard Hopkins type when it comes to hand speed-decent but not gifted. Roy of course is on a whole other level.
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Old 02-09-2008, 02:41 AM   #24
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Louis has possibly the most underrated hand speed of his era now.
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Old 02-09-2008, 02:46 AM   #25
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Well, we disagree.

Cerainly in a p4p sense Louis is faster than Jones @ 168 in terms of handspeed + distance of a serious punch. Tha seems obvious. Overall? Close.
lol @ this nonsense. Roy Jones, weighing 201 pounds against John Ruiz was clearly MUCH faster than Joe Louis who weighed about 205 through most of his career. So save the "Louis was faster P4P crap". A blown up, musclebound Jones was still considerably faster than a lean Louis. And if you are trying to insinuate that all of Jones punches are much more looping than Louis, I'd ask you to look at the right hand he rocked Ruiz with. That was a short, straight right that came faster than any punch Louis ever threw in his life. Also, go check the two punch rapid fire KO of Reggie Johnson.

Louis wasn't even known for his speed for god's sake and now some joker on here is trying to claim pound for pound he's faster than one of the fastest fighters ever?? lol. What's next, Sonny Liston was faster than Meldrick Taylor "conception to detonation"
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Old 02-09-2008, 02:50 AM   #26
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It's closer than it appears so. I mean, we're talking about handspeed, right? Jones is in another world when it comes to footspeed and general body movement, but in pure handspeed, they're very close, especially in a pound for pound sense. If Louis had Ali's footspeed, then you'd have Jones.
huh? Jones was known MORE for his handspeed than footspeed throughout most of his career. I have seen TONS of Louis tapes and there is simply no comparison between his handspeed and Jones'. The length that old timers will go to to discredit modern day fighters is ridiculous.
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Old 02-09-2008, 05:28 AM   #27
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huh? Jones was known MORE for his handspeed than footspeed throughout most of his career. I have seen TONS of Louis tapes and there is simply no comparison between his handspeed and Jones'. The length that old timers will go to to discredit modern day fighters is ridiculous.
Don't get me wrong, Jones does have a sick amount of handspeed. But so does Louis. And my point was that Jones looks much faster because he can move from the ropes to the center of the ring and make a 180 degree turn in the blink of an eye.
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Louis wasn't even known for his speed for god's sake
Actually Louis was quite reknowned for his HAND speed.
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Old 02-09-2008, 07:23 AM   #29
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Old 02-09-2008, 05:00 PM   #30
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I now understand your argument on this, but either way, Louis's punches, even though shorter, were easily avoidable by many fighters.
If Louis loaded up on the inside you were screwed.

You couldnt anticipate the punches never mind avoid them.

Louis's fans actualy threw their hats up in the air when he was setting up a finish in close.
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