Who else thinks that Danny Garcia would stop Lucas Matthysse?

Dynamito_2012 · 01-11-2013, 05:29 AM

I just feel that his timing would cause problems for Matthysse. Lets be honest, Matthysse hasn't been in with a fighter like Garcia. Alexander is a sloppy puncher who lacks power to do damage and Judah, well, he was able to land at will on Matthysse during their fight.

I noticed during the Judah fight that Matthysse gets frustrated and was constantly being warned about using his head on Judah. If Judah can still time and counter Matthysse, then sure as hell Garcia will do it even more efficiently.

Matthysse is supposed to have a good chin, but it hasn't really been tested much because he's been in with guys who are past their best or lack power. You can say the same about Garcia, but the thing is, Garcia is a smart fighter and he can avoid being hit clean due to his ring IQ.

This is only my opinion anyway. I just feel that Garcia would time Matthysse and rock him in the mid rounds if, or when, they fight.

Robney · 01-11-2013, 05:29 AM

He will cause some problems, but will eventually lose.

silly_illy · 01-11-2013, 05:30 AM

Matthysse will win

Uncle Rico · 01-11-2013, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Dynamito_2012

I just feel that his timing would cause problems for Matthysse. Lets be honest, Matthysse hasn't been in with a fighter like Garcia. Alexander is a sloppy puncher who lacks power to do damage and Judah, well, he was able to land at will on Matthysse during their fight.

Well, doesn't that suggest Danny probably wouldn't stop Lucas? Zab, it can be strongly argued, is a heavier hitter than Danny.

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Originally Posted by Dynamito_2012

I noticed during the Judah fight that Matthysse gets frustrated and was constantly being warned about using his head on Judah. If Judah can still time and counter Matthysse, then sure as hell Garcia will do it even more efficiently.

Lucas didn't like Zab's movement. Danny's feet are slow.

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Originally Posted by Dynamito_2012

Matthysse is supposed to have a good chin, but it hasn't really been tested much because he's been in with guys who are past their best or lack power. You can say the same about Garcia, but the thing is, Garcia is a smart fighter and he can avoid being hit clean due to his ring IQ.

Ring IQ? You've clearly not though this through, have you.

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This is only my opinion anyway. I just feel that Garcia would time Matthysse and rock him in the mid rounds if, or when, they fight.

Danny's power's overrated. Lucas has a great chin (so does Danny, in fact).

14:50

Uncle Rico · 01-11-2013, 05:43 AM

One thing, however, which could be Lucas' downfall, is his guard when rushing into attack. It's way too low and you don't have to be the most accurate of counterpunchers to catch him coming in. No doubt Danny will have plenty of opportunities to land his body-spinners. Whether they'll have the same effect, though, I doubt.

somebody · 01-11-2013, 05:49 AM

I'll have a paypal bet with you for $20 that Lucas beats Danny Dog Shit Garcia. I think he will even stop him or his corner will retire him.

gyll · 01-11-2013, 06:00 AM

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Ring IQ? You've clearly not though this through, have you.

No really. The kid knows how to break his opponents down. I was impressed by what he said before he fought Khan. He talked a bit about his game plan and it was brilliant. He's a smart fighter. Not the fastest. Not the most talented. Not the strongest. But he's not terrible at anything. He's solid all around.

lewishamboy · 01-11-2013, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Uncle Rico

Danny's power's overrated. Lucas has a great chin (so does Danny, in fact).

14:50

When Garcia gets caught with that same uppercut trying to land one of his eyes closed left hooks its gonna be lights out

Dynamito_2012 · 01-11-2013, 06:09 AM

People just hype up Maidana and Matthysse because they've knocked out 20+ c level opponents. But we've seen that power hasn't exactly spilled over into the elite level much.

AnthonyW · 01-11-2013, 06:09 AM

I agree with Rico, Garcia's got a good head on his shoulders, but his ring IQ is becoming overrated, mainly because of his timing. He's improving all the time it seems, and I've been impressed by him...but I haven't seen him adapt too much, haven't seen him take away an opponents strengths or take away punches, etc. Don't get me wrong, his IQ is good, but not on the level it has been discussed since his wins over Khan and Morales.

AnthonyW · 01-11-2013, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Dynamito_2012

People just hype up Maidana and Matthysse because they've knocked out 20+ c level opponents. But we've seen that power hasn't exactly spilled over into the elite level much.

Only the minority of boxers are capable of carrying the power up to elite level.

Also...

Matthysse >>> Maidana.

Uncle Rico · 01-11-2013, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by gyll

No really. The kid knows how to break his opponents down. I was impressed by what he said before he fought Khan. He talked a bit about his game plan and it was brilliant. He's a smart fighter. Not the fastest. Not the most talented. Not the strongest. But he's not terrible at anything. He's solid all around.

Khan isn't exactly the most complext of puzzles, is he. Even an idiot like me guessed what Garcia should and would come to do on the night. I agree, he's an all-round good fighter -- good power, excellent chin, good thinker -- but a man who can avoid being hit and a ring IQ that'll frustrate and stop someone like Matthysse? I doubt. Like I said, he's an all-round good fighter, but not an all-round exceptional fighter - which is what you need to be to do what the OP's suggesting.

dinovelvet · 01-11-2013, 06:21 AM

Garcia will walk through Matthysse.

People base their whole judgement on Garcia off the first 2 rounds in the Khan fight. Khan managed to be effictive against Garcia early knowing he takes time to adjust to his opponents rhythm but as soon as Garcia warmed up , it was all over.

Matthysse is nowhere near Khan in terms of skill, foot speed or hand speed and comes in to attack slow and recklessly. He'll eat bombs and end up a KO or tko victim.

The only thing stopping this fight is money. Lucas doesn't bring a tosser to the table.

lewishamboy · 01-11-2013, 06:23 AM

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Garcia will walk through Matthysse.

Garcia doesn't walk through anyone, he sits back and counterpunches.

dinovelvet · 01-11-2013, 06:28 AM

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Garcia doesn't walk through anyone, he sits back and counterpunches.

Sit back where? On the ropes? When was Danny ever on the ropes? He sets up a counter then seeks and destroy. Khan and Morales were both walked down.

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Dynamito_2012 Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: England Posts: 1,740 vCash: 500	Who else thinks that Danny Garcia would stop Lucas Matthysse? I just feel that his timing would cause problems for Matthysse. Lets be honest, Matthysse hasn't been in with a fighter like Garcia. Alexander is a sloppy puncher who lacks power to do damage and Judah, well, he was able to land at will on Matthysse during their fight. I noticed during the Judah fight that Matthysse gets frustrated and was constantly being warned about using his head on Judah. If Judah can still time and counter Matthysse, then sure as hell Garcia will do it even more efficiently. Matthysse is supposed to have a good chin, but it hasn't really been tested much because he's been in with guys who are past their best or lack power. You can say the same about Garcia, but the thing is, Garcia is a smart fighter and he can avoid being hit clean due to his ring IQ. This is only my opinion anyway. I just feel that Garcia would time Matthysse and rock him in the mid rounds if, or when, they fight.
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Uncle Rico P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 24,515 vCash: 75	Re: Who else thinks that Danny Garcia would stop Lucas Matthysse? One thing, however, which could be Lucas' downfall, is his guard when rushing into attack. It's way too low and you don't have to be the most accurate of counterpunchers to catch him coming in. No doubt Danny will have plenty of opportunities to land his body-spinners. Whether they'll have the same effect, though, I doubt.
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somebody Gatekeeper ESB Full Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 358 vCash: 500	Re: Who else thinks that Danny Garcia would stop Lucas Matthysse? I'll have a paypal bet with you for $20 that Lucas beats Danny Dog Shit Garcia. I think he will even stop him or his corner will retire him.
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Dynamito_2012 Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: England Posts: 1,740 vCash: 500	Re: Who else thinks that Danny Garcia would stop Lucas Matthysse? People just hype up Maidana and Matthysse because they've knocked out 20+ c level opponents. But we've seen that power hasn't exactly spilled over into the elite level much.
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AnthonyW ESB Official Gif Poster East Side VIP Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 22,410 vCash: 920	Re: Who else thinks that Danny Garcia would stop Lucas Matthysse? I agree with Rico, Garcia's got a good head on his shoulders, but his ring IQ is becoming overrated, mainly because of his timing. He's improving all the time it seems, and I've been impressed by him...but I haven't seen him adapt too much, haven't seen him take away an opponents strengths or take away punches, etc. Don't get me wrong, his IQ is good, but not on the level it has been discussed since his wins over Khan and Morales.
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dinovelvet Up Top To The Head East Side Guru Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 5,795 vCash: 910	Re: Who else thinks that Danny Garcia would stop Lucas Matthysse? Garcia will walk through Matthysse. People base their whole judgement on Garcia off the first 2 rounds in the Khan fight. Khan managed to be effictive against Garcia early knowing he takes time to adjust to his opponents rhythm but as soon as Garcia warmed up , it was all over. Matthysse is nowhere near Khan in terms of skill, foot speed or hand speed and comes in to attack slow and recklessly. He'll eat bombs and end up a KO or tko victim. The only thing stopping this fight is money. Lucas doesn't bring a tosser to the table.
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