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Old 01-25-2013, 11:38 AM   #46
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boxrec provides weights for some of Sharkey's opponents.

He KO'd Gus Ruhlin, 190, and Fred Russell, 205, among others.
You are right [and so is Surf Bat,] and I am wrong .

I was forgetting Sharkey fought Ruhlin 3 times.

Don't know how Fred Russell slipped the net.

Just going into my study with a loaded revolver.
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The bone of contention was that Sharkey kod heavyweights. I asked Surf Bat to name some, he came up with 177lbs Maher,and 177lbs Goddard.
You're getting our lines crossed amigo Not Sharkey, McCoy(see below)


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I asked you which heayweights, apart from O Donnell, McCoy kod, you didnt reply. Just repeated that he dropped ,and kod heavyweights.
WELL PLEASE NAME THEM .
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You are right [and so is Surf Bat,] and I am wrong .

I was forgetting Sharkey fought Ruhlin 3 times.

Don't know how Fred Russell slipped the net.

Just going into my study with a loaded revolver.
If all of us who've been wrong on these boards took such drastic measures this would be a graveyard. Toss the revolver and back away my friend...slooowly...
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Old 01-25-2013, 02:12 PM   #49
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You're getting our lines crossed amigo Not Sharkey, McCoy(see below)
Yes I am, no wonder I couldnt fathom out how I'd missed the first Ruhlin fight and the Russell one.
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Old 01-25-2013, 02:15 PM   #50
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If all of us who've been wrong on these boards took such drastic measures this would be a graveyard. Toss the revolver and back away my friend...slooowly...
A gentle man has to do what's right.
Thank Crist I'm not a gentle man.
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Old 01-28-2013, 06:40 AM   #51
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Quite so , but he didn't ko him ,and he didn't beat him.

The bone of contention was that Sharkey kod heavyweights. I asked Surf Bat to name some, he came up with 177lbs Maher,and 177lbs Goddard.
I still have to chuckle at how Mcvey conveniently uses weights. Choynski who was under 170 pounds KO'd Jack Johnson in three rounds.


Its ironic that Sharkey Ko'd Choynski in 3 rounds.


We know Choynski was a heavyweight because he beat a few good ones. The same can be said for Sharkey. Russell was 205 pounds when Sharkey Ko'd him.
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Old 01-28-2013, 09:20 AM   #52
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I still have to chuckle at how Mcvey conveniently uses weights. Choynski who was under 170 pounds KO'd Jack Johnson in three rounds.


Its ironic that Sharkey Ko'd Choynski in 3 rounds.


We know Choynski was a heavyweight because he beat a few good ones. The same can be said for Sharkey. Russell was 205 pounds when Sharkey Ko'd him.
There is no published weight for either Johnson, or Choynski for their fight , what we do know is trhat Johnson scaled 168lbs 10 months before their fight because he fought Jack McCormick at that weight. This indicates that there was nothing between them in weight and, as Choynski stated Johnson was" more or less a novice" when he fought him. What we also know is that Choynski conceded 63lbs to Jeffries yet fought him to a 20 rds draw!
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Old 01-28-2013, 11:39 AM   #53
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Debates such as this one make me wonder as to the overall qualty of heavyweight fghters from the era we're discussing. I often read how men like Choyinski, McCoy etc...had the power to stop heavyweights. How good then were these heavyweights? Could any of us picture Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Louis, Lewis or Holyfield being stopped by these two? Honestly? I don't which leads me to believe that the heavyweight division at the time of this topic wasn't all that deep..If indeed they were being routinely ko'd by 160-170lb fighters like Choyinski and McCoy. It seems that the HW division developed more slowly than the lighter divisions did in terms of depth and ability which enabled good smaller fighters to hang with the bigger boys. As time went on and the HW division deepened, you didn't see this happen...at least as much as it once did.
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