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Old 02-23-2008, 10:01 AM   #31
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Marciano was just a 185-CW who beat old, washed up LHW´s (although I never saw them in their prime to make a fair judgement), Toney was a well-trained, muscular natural HW who would beat the shit out of Marciano...
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Old 02-23-2008, 10:04 AM   #32
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No, he wouldn't. Marciano was never even a big heavyweight back then and today he would only be considered a small cruiserweight. The guy was only about 5'10 and 185lbs when he was at his best. That would be an even fight. Its just laughable the way you overate him. The man is great but not as great as you make it seem. He would only be a contender in the Ali/Liston or Ali/Frazier era.

I stop now the discussion with you, because I know right now who you´re. You´re very young and inexperienced and know not much about boxing history. And why do I overrate Marciano? I just favoured him over Holyfield a bit, oh yeah, and I really think he KO´s the small CW Qawi in a few rounds, that don´t make me automatically overrate him...
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Old 02-23-2008, 10:04 AM   #33
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So you are finally admitting that i won the debate? wow, i knew you had to man up sometime. But anyway, i wouldn't favor Toney over Marciano but i would favor prime Chris Byrd over him. He out box him badly. That slicksouthpaw style would cause problems for the slower and smaller Rocky.
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No, he wouldn't. Marciano was never even a big heavyweight back then and today he would only be considered a small cruiserweight. The guy was only about 5'10 and 185lbs when he was at his best. That would be an even fight. Its just laughable the way you overate him. The man is great but not as great as you make it seem. He would only be a contender in the Ali/Liston or Ali/Frazier era.

Agreed, he couldn´t/ wouldn´t beat the likes of Ellis (a natural MW) or so...
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Old 02-23-2008, 10:06 AM   #35
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No, he wouldn't. Marciano was never even a big heavyweight back then and today he would only be considered a small cruiserweight. The guy was only about 5'10 and 185lbs when he was at his best. That would be an even fight.

Well Qawi was only 5'6 1/2 and 175 at his best, doesn't this make him an automatic loser vs Marciano by your standards? Hell, Rock had near 4 inches and 10 pounds on him!
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I stop now the discussion with you, because I know right now who you´re. You´re very young and inexperienced and know not much about boxing history. And why do I overrate Marciano? I just favoured him over Holyfield a bit, oh yeah, and I really think he KO´s the small CW Qawi in a few rounds, that don´t make me automatically overrate him...
lol, so you automatically know somone that you never seen before? what a joke. I know more boxing than you can forget (thats an old one lol). and yes, you saying that he would beat faster and more skillful opponents great fighters like Qawi and Holyfield easily makes me concerned about your health.
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So you are finally admitting that i won the debate? wow, i knew you had to man up sometime. But anyway, i wouldn't favor Toney over Marciano but i would favor prime Chris Byrd over him. He out box him badly. That slicksouthpaw style would cause problems for the slower and smaller Rocky.



With all respect for Byrd, he could barely beat the likes of an older Golota, McCline, Williamson, etc...
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Old 02-23-2008, 10:09 AM   #38
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lol, so you automatically know somone that you never seen before? what a joke. I know more boxing than you can forget (thats an old one lol). and yes, you saying that he would beat faster and more skillful opponents great fighters like Qawi and Holyfield easily makes me concerned about your health.

Don´t take this post to seriously, I just wanted to provocate, but after reading your posts I really think you have absolutely no idea what you´re talking about...
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Old 02-23-2008, 10:09 AM   #39
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Well Marciano train DOWN to his weight though. He could make 220 pounds easy. Sure he was small in height, but in his day, fighters train down to there weight.

Louis range about 190 pounds to 210, Dempsey never made it pass the 190 mark until the Tunney fights. It was pretty common in that time.
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So you are finally admitting that i won the debate? wow, i knew you had to man up sometime. But anyway, i wouldn't favor Toney over Marciano but i would favor prime Chris Byrd over him. He out box him badly. That slicksouthpaw style would cause problems for the slower and smaller Rocky.
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Don´t take this post to seriously, I just wanted to provocate, but after reading your posts I really think you have absolutely no idea what you´re talking about...
Jeez, did it take you this long?
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With all respect for Byrd, he could barely beat the likes of an older Golota, McCline, Williamson, etc...
Golata, Williamson, and MCcline are also alot bigger than he is..lol Byrd is bigger than Marciano. Hes taller and he weighs more. The only advantage that Rocky would have is punching power, but Byrd is very slick and has been hit by puncher that hits harder than Rocky.
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Jeez, did it take you this long?

Because of people like him I´m not so much in this forum I used to be in the past...
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Old 02-23-2008, 10:14 AM   #44
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Golata, Williamson, and MCcline are also alot bigger than he is..lol Byrd is bigger than Marciano. Hes taller and he weighs more. The only advantage that Rocky would have is punching power, but Byrd is very slick and has been hit by puncher that hits harder than Rocky.

Agreed, they´re bigger than Marciano and automatically better. Great to have a boxing expert and historian here on ESB, we can learn from a specialist like you...

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Because of people like him I´m not so much in this forum I used to be in the past...
You rarley see me in this forum. I have not even been on here in about a month. Im at the other site more.
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