Just how bad was Haglar robbed if at all against SRL?

[salsanchezfan]

Originally Posted by Waynegrade

Do you guys who say you don`t have to beat a champ, conclusively, really believe that ? Similar comparison, fighter A fights fighter B in B`s back yard. Whoever wins, no matter how close, gets the true decision ??? What planet are you from ? Judging isn`t just the technical aspect, you have human beings doing the scoring. If you don`t think you have to factor that in and make it definitve...

Utter crap. Thank god you're not a boxing judge.

Seriously, what the fuck......

[Synthetic Decay]

Originally Posted by Bill1234

Hagler was making Leonard miss just as much, though. Leonard looked to bait Marvin in and drill, however Marvin was blocking and slipping nearly all of those attacks. He also blocked and slipped nearly all of Leonard's counters.

Leonard was fighting smarter, but it was no more effective, and in my opinion, actually less effective than Marvin's aggression. In a fight inwhich both people cancelled the other's offence out, I'm going to give the fight to who got in more shots, and that man was Hagler that night.

I don't agree with the "You have to take the title from the champ" BS, and did not score the fight by those standards.

I just didn't feel that Marv fought particularly well that night, Ray wasn't lighting him up, and it wasn't anything dramatic but his work seemed of the more quality to me. Marv was just plodding and swinging for a fair amount of the fight.

I was always more of a Hagler fan than a Leonard fan, but his tactics were very very fucking strange in this fight, as said especially tallied with the prefight talk, anything close after that point is going to be weighted in Ray's favor.

Prime for prime, it's Hagler's fight. Prime Ray would be better than this incarnation but prime Hagler would be a lot better than this incarnation, but that wasn't the fight that took place.

Agree, if you win more rounds you should win the fight.

[lora]

Ya gotta take it frum da champ

Cuz da champ is da one wit da integrity, come up da hard way an represent evrthin good 'bout this sport

How you jus gon take a man's livelyhood away pinchin' points on da backfoot?How you look at yersel in the mirror after it, eh chump

[salsanchezfan]

Originally Posted by lora

Ya gotta take it frum da champ

Cuz da champ is da one wit da integrity, come up da hard way an represent evrthin good 'bout this sport

How you jus gon take a man's livelyhood away pinchin' points on da backfoot?How you look at yersel in the mirror after it, eh chump

See, that's the strange thing with this clown; he says he doesn't buy our "old-timers talk" about it being a simple matter of adding up the scorecards at the end of the fight. HIS goofy-ass way is precisely what the old-timey timers would do, he's got it all completely backwards. It's a time-honored joke, and he gets it totally backward.

[redrooster]

Originally Posted by Waynegrade

Terry Norris beats them both on the same night !!

I would agree. Norris would have little trouble with either

[Nightcrawler]

Originally Posted by redrooster

I would agree. Norris would have little trouble with either

i love the shit out of norris and if we're talking the 87 versions, i agree he could win

[redrooster]

Originally Posted by Nightcrawler

you can't say that as if it's fact though red. plenty of people, myself included, have scored the first 4 for leonard. if you don't think leonard deserved it for moving, punching, and controlling the tempo, what the heck did hagler do to deserve it?

if a round is even, what do you do, give it to the guy you like more?

If that's the case I would give it to Hagler

what did Leonard do that suggests he won rounds 1, & 3 besides being slippery?

scoringwise, nothing. THerefore to be perfectly fair to both fighters, you must score it even

I also think that in the name of fairness, Leonard should have rightfully been deducted a point in rounds 4, & 7 for those FLAGRANT fouls

by the way, I also give just as many points for body punching as I do for jabs

Once you get into the details of the fight and break it down, it's clear that Hagler won the fight close

[redrooster]

Originally Posted by Nightcrawler

i love the shit out of norris and if we're talking the 87 versions, i agree he could win

you know what they say; styles

[salsanchezfan]

Wussay, Rooster? Nice to see ya.

[redrooster]

Originally Posted by salsanchezfan

Wussay, Rooster? Nice to see ya.

top of the mornin to ya

[TheSouthpaw]

Originally Posted by salsanchezfan

Utter crap. Thank god you're not a boxing judge.

Seriously, what the fuck......

I heard that S!..

[TheSouthpaw]

Originally Posted by orriray59

This is an absolutely pathetic point of view.

Boxing is scored on a round by round basis, whoever has more points at the end of the fight wins. That's it.

This guy is just a flake O!..It is what it is...

[TheSouthpaw]

Originally Posted by salsanchezfan

See, that's the strange thing with this clown; he says he doesn't buy our "old-timers talk" about it being a simple matter of adding up the scorecards at the end of the fight. HIS goofy-ass way is precisely what the old-timey timers would do, he's got it all completely backwards. It's a time-honored joke, and he gets it totally backward.

Old timer talk!?...I think its more like reality talk...Fuck him!..

[TheSouthpaw]

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Haglar vs Mugabi.....Another example of Marvin lettin his opponent get away with a little too much.

[Bill1234]

Originally Posted by TheSouthpaw

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Haglar vs Mugabi.....Another example of Marvin lettin his opponent get away with a little too much.

Marvin was really on the slide by that point. He'd been declining from the Roberto Duran fight on or so. At first it was slow, but it really was showcased in his fights with Mugabi and Leonard. It'd have shown more against Hearns had it not been such a street fight.