Joe Frazier, the most overrated heavyweight of all time

[T.S.]

Joe was definitely an overrated swimmer

[IntentionalButt]

Originally Posted by Aquamarine

Frazier is of his time. Great fighter in the 70's...

Great fighter, period, transcending era.

Originally Posted by Aquamarine

Would be the smallest HW operating today though.

Bigger than Chagaev.

[IntentionalButt]

Originally Posted by T.S.

Joe was definitely an overrated swimmer

A potential decathlete he wasn't.

[Jim Bowen]

Originally Posted by cyrax99

Wrong.

It's really easy to spin things in a circle to try to appear right, but that's not the case. I never said "Frazier sucks," I said he was extremely overrated, which is true. Stick to the facts here: Without Ali, what win does Frazier have to make him great? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. His entire legacy is based off going 1-2 with a completely dimished Ali.

Ali has other great wins on his resume

Foreman is the oldest legit HW champ in history.

Frazier's resume is the weakest of any HW considered great, period. He is 1-4 against ATGs, and has a collection of decent to bum fighters that fill out the rest of his record.

What's Ali's resume like without the Frazier fights?

[Aquamarine]

Originally Posted by IntentionalButt

Great fighter, period, transcending era.




Bigger than Chagaev.

Joe Frazier is even smaller than Chris Byrd and Eddie Chambers. His average prime weight was 205lbs, he had a reach of 73″ and was around 5'10"! At 215lbs he looked badly out of shape:

http://static.boxrec.com/wiki/thumb/...razierSI75.jpg

Ruslan is a slightly bigger man, although they have different body types, Chagaevs prime weight was around 225lbs and he has a slightly longer reach, Fraziers prime was 205lbs (what he weighed in the 1st Ali fight!)...

Even the 216lb, former CW Jean Marc Mormeck wore the weight well:

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/entry_photo...rge_medium.jpg

I know size is not the be all & end all, but with margin's like that they have to factor in surely! Especially consideing Joe unlike i.e 215lb Chris Byrd wasn't the slickest or most agile of fighters!

I am a frazier fan and he will be missed, He had the heart to keep fighting and never give up no matter what. I don't think he is overrated either but he is a fighter of his time.

[vargasfan1985]

Originally Posted by cyrax99

One of the greatest HW's in history at his best? He is 1-2 against a horribly dimished Ali, and 0-2 against Foreman, making him 1-4 against ATGs.

What other wins does he have to be called a great? Jimmy Ellis and Jerry Quarry? Who considers them all time greats? He narrowly beat Bonavena, who knocked him down twice, who considers Bonavena a great?

He has absolutely NOTHING on his resume to justify being called an all time great.

Horribly diminished?

Just sit down, bro. No one here agrees with you. You can have your opinion. Most reasonable boxing experts and journalists would tell you that your opinion sucks.

[tobias]

Frazier was overrated? What a stupid thread. This guy is top 10 all time in division. Klitschkos... none is top 25.

[devon]

Bullshit name me 10 heavyweights better than him.

[turbotime]

I think you meant Riddick Bowe.

[LoRd_inFamousX1]

I hope this is a troll thread

[LoRd_inFamousX1]

Originally Posted by turbotime

I think you meant Riddick Bowe.

[ripcity]

I think case can be made.

[Kevin Willis]

Originally Posted by devon

Bullshit name me 10 heavyweights better than him.

Louis
Ali
Johnson
Marciano
Dempsey
Foreman
Liston
Holmes
Lewis
Tyson

I could keep going.....

EDIT;

Did not really care to even answer, just wanted to see if my vcash was adjusted. I am really liking this vbookie, FUN STUFF!

[BlackBrenny]

Originally Posted by cyrax99

I'm not trolling, at all. I presented a very valid argument in this thread, something a troll wouldn't do. People have a very overrated perception of Frazier, but when analyzed, it makes absolutely no logical sense.

He has arguably the single best win in heavyweight history! give it up son

[BlackBrenny]

Originally Posted by Kevin Willis

Louis
Ali
Johnson
Marciano
Dempsey
Foreman
Liston
Holmes
Lewis
Tyson

I could keep going.....

Tyson wasn't better than Frazier, what was Tysons best win?

not to menton of course that a young Ali battered Liston, twice, as much as I love Liston

Liston was better than Tyson