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Old 01-21-2013, 06:13 AM   #1
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Default Roy Jones ATG Placing Post Ruiz, Heavyweight Title Defence.

How would Roy Jones have placed in the ATG rankings if he'd retired after the Ruiz fight?

Their was talk of Jones defending against Holyfield, Tyson or Byrd, would he have won, and how?
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Old 01-21-2013, 06:50 AM   #2
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Default Re: Roy Jones ATG Placing Post Ruiz, Heavyweight Title Defence.

I rate on a combination of how good I feel you prove to be at your best and your overall achievements. So, I can't see that there would be much difference for me if he retired before losing the magic. His losses don't erase his wins or anything.
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Old 01-21-2013, 06:58 AM   #3
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I rate on a combination of how good I feel you prove to be at your best and your overall achievements. So, I can't see that there would be much difference for me if he retired before losing the magic. His losses don't erase his wins or anything.
I fully agree, whatever the travesty his post Ruiz career has become his record before this remains intact.

However I think too many people will remember the losses and possibly drop him a notch or two down the ATG list.
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Old 01-21-2013, 07:03 AM   #4
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Roy was a bigger cherry picker than Floyd, sometimes staggers me that a lot of people hold him in high regard.
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Old 01-21-2013, 09:46 AM   #5
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he faileda ped test in the earlys 2000s but got away with it by paying some patheic fine as it was in indinapolis if memory serves me right so he doesnt rate as atg full stop imo
unfortantly as brillant as he was you have to seriously doubt anything he achieved which is a shame
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Old 01-21-2013, 09:51 AM   #6
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There was talk of him fighting LL until he retired, Lewis would have crushed him.
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Old 01-21-2013, 09:54 AM   #7
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he faileda ped test in the earlys 2000s but got away with it by paying some patheic fine as it was in indinapolis if memory serves me right so he doesnt rate as atg full stop imo
unfortantly as brillant as he was you have to seriously doubt anything he achieved which is a shame
something people like to forget when they rave about how magical he was..he was drugged up to the ears

roy jones was/is a scumbag anyway so I don't mind seeing him getting KO'd, and watching Calzaghe clown him was a joy
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Old 01-21-2013, 12:22 PM   #8
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How would Roy Jones have placed in the ATG rankings if he'd retired after the Ruiz fight?

Their was talk of Jones defending against Holyfield, Tyson or Byrd, would he have won, and how?
He was a KO waiting to happen at HW and probably drugged-up to the eyeballs.

He was smart and lucky to have faced Ruiz for a belt, and smart and lucky to leave the division when he did.
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something people like to forget when they rave about how magical he was..he was drugged up to the ears

roy jones was/is a scumbag anyway so I don't mind seeing him getting KO'd, and watching Calzaghe clown him was a joy
That was one of the most cringe-worthy and embarrassing things I've seen in a boxing ring - Calzaghe's awkward, unnatural showboating against the empty shell of Roy Jones.
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Calzaghe's awkward, unnatural showboating against the empty shell of Roy Jones.
He always looked faintly retarded when he started showboating (remember all that weird after the bell stuff against Bika?)

Jones showed a lot of bottle that night, he was being slapped senseless, he had that terrible cut (that his inept cut man seemed incapable of staunching) but he stuck with it and went the distance.

BORKED

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Old 01-21-2013, 01:20 PM   #11
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he faileda ped test in the earlys 2000s but got away with it by paying some patheic fine as it was in indinapolis if memory serves me right so he doesnt rate as atg full stop imo
unfortantly as brillant as he was you have to seriously doubt anything he achieved which is a shame
by all accounts it was an over the counter product that was, apparently, at that time only banned by the IBF.
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Old 01-21-2013, 01:57 PM   #12
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Robinson,Duran,Ali,Leonard,Tyson etc all got their ass kicked against average fighters when they was old and past it. Dont see anyone holding that against them.
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Robinson,Duran,Ali,Leonard,Tyson etc all got their ass kicked against average fighters when they was old and past it. Dont see anyone holding that against them.
True but how many of the names you mentioned cherry picked his opponents that went beyond ridiculous with Jones?
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True but how many of the names you mentioned cherry picked his opponents that went beyond ridiculous with Jones?
Jones was basically peerless though. He could have fought the best, the worst, and everything in between and it still would have resulted in a Roy Jones win. He was light-years ahead of everyone.
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Old 01-21-2013, 02:56 PM   #15
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Jones was basically peerless though. He could have fought the best, the worst, and everything in between and it still would have resulted in a Roy Jones win. He was light-years ahead of everyone.
Well said.

I know the common opponent argument is invalid (someone always comes back with the Ali/Norton/Frazier - Foreman/Frazier/Norton comparison) styles and all that.

BUT

Look at Jones against Sugar Boy Malinga, then look at Malinga against Jones contemporaries Eubank/Benn/Reid.
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