Boxing  

Forum Home Boxing Forum European British Classic Aussie MMA Training
Go Back   Boxing News 24 Forum > Boxing > General Boxing Forum


Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 02-09-2013, 07:59 PM   #1
john garfield
Champion
East Side Guru
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 5,914
vCash: 1000
Default Why wasn't Campbell able to hurt Bizier...

...with head 'n body punches he's knocked tough fighters out with.

Please don't say the weight difference. You get hit a solid shot on the button or in the bread basket (especially by Campbell) you're gonna cave.
john garfield is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 02-09-2013, 08:03 PM   #2
lap
newbie
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 43
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Why wasn't Campbell able to hurt Bizier...

Well, what you don't want us to tell you is probably the main factor
lap is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 02-09-2013, 08:11 PM   #3
Hermit
P4P King
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Bumfuck, Egypt
Posts: 22,194
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Why wasn't Campbell able to hurt Bizier...

Cuz he is an old washed up has been that took the fight on short notice against a stronger opponent? And yeah, size DOES matter.
Hermit is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 02-09-2013, 08:16 PM   #4
john garfield
Champion
East Side Guru
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 5,914
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Why wasn't Campbell able to hurt Bizier...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hermit View Post
Cuz he is an old washed up has been that took the fight on short notice against a stronger opponent? And yeah, size DOES matter.
I can see it affecting Campbell's stamina, H, but what's it got to do with his long-established punching power?
john garfield is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 02-09-2013, 08:19 PM   #5
john garfield
Champion
East Side Guru
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 5,914
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Why wasn't Campbell able to hurt Bizier...

Quote:
Originally Posted by lap View Post
Well, what you don't want us to tell you is probably the main factor
Not sure what this means, l. I've no hidden agenda.
john garfield is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 02-09-2013, 08:26 PM   #6
Hermit
P4P King
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Bumfuck, Egypt
Posts: 22,194
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Why wasn't Campbell able to hurt Bizier...

Quote:
Originally Posted by john garfield View Post
I can see it affecting Campbell's stamina, H, but what's it got to do with his long-established punching power?
Depending on his ideal weight size does matter. Some guys fight draining themselves. When they finally stop they appear to have power they didn't have before going up a weight class. I think Ortiz would be an example of a guy that fought better one weight class above.

John Duddy got his first 'official' loss when Pat Burns tried to take him down in weight and Billy Lyle took his OH. He drained and bloated up.

If Nate is comfortable at 140 going up he simply will not carry power. Jack Loew when asked about Kelly going to SMW some years ago said something like, "The chins up there will be harder to crack." Look at the two fighters he DIDN'T stop when he moved up. The premise that size doesn't matter here I think is just flat out wrong.
Hermit is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 02-09-2013, 08:29 PM   #7
Drew101
Champion
East Side Guru
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: "...The Land of Dixon and Langford..."
Posts: 8,153
vCash: 740
Default Re: Why wasn't Campbell able to hurt Bizier...

Bizier has a pretty decent chin, too.
Drew101 is online now  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 02-09-2013, 08:34 PM   #8
Hermit
P4P King
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Bumfuck, Egypt
Posts: 22,194
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Why wasn't Campbell able to hurt Bizier...

Also, Pavlik said he landed a flush shot on Hopkins and NOTHING. This may have been a natural 2 weight class difference but it illustrates the point. No one at 160 ever took a flush shot from Pavlik like and showed no effects from it.
Hermit is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 02-09-2013, 08:57 PM   #9
lap
newbie
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 43
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Why wasn't Campbell able to hurt Bizier...

Quote:
Originally Posted by john garfield View Post
Not sure what this means, l. I've no hidden agenda.
I'm not hinting at an hidden agenda.

It's because you wrote "Please don't say the weight difference". My point was that the difference in size and strenght is the main thing to consider. You had a guy who certainly looked like he could make 135 against a physical WW who might be on his way to 154.
lap is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 02-09-2013, 11:21 PM   #10
DrX
Contender
ESB Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 1,310
vCash: 500
Default Re: Why wasn't Campbell able to hurt Bizier...

nate been washed for years
DrX is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2013, 05:06 AM   #11
dealt_with
Belt holder
ESB Addict
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 3,179
vCash: 500
Default Re: Why wasn't Campbell able to hurt Bizier...

Quote:
Originally Posted by john garfield View Post
...with head 'n body punches he's knocked tough fighters out with.

Please don't say the weight difference. You get hit a solid shot on the button or in the bread basket (especially by Campbell) you're gonna cave.
Because not everybody has the same power or chin?
Power and chin are relative, you seem to be preoccupied with this idea that you have it or you don't.
dealt_with is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2013, 05:08 AM   #12
Nonito Smoak
Undisputed Champion
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Washington State, USA
Posts: 14,892
vCash: 1478
Default Re: Why wasn't Campbell able to hurt Bizier...

Quote:
Originally Posted by drx View Post
nate been washed for years
x 2
Nonito Smoak is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2013, 05:47 AM   #13
Badbot
Champion
East Side Guru
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 5,002
vCash: 1170
Default Re: Why wasn't Campbell able to hurt Bizier...

He is 40 years old. Thats a start.
Badbot is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2013, 07:18 AM   #14
Skilletscuz
mma champ Ronda Rousey
ESB Addict
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Fighting emo retards with logic
Posts: 2,781
vCash: 75
Default Re: Why wasn't Campbell able to hurt Bizier...

Bizier has a solid chin, he took some flush shots. I think Campbell's bodyshots did work a good bit and slowed down Bizier to a degree.
But....
SIZE DOES MATTER too. AGE does matter too. Campbell was in a bigger weightclass and at an old ass age. And you're mystified why Campbel couldnt drop Bizier?!?!
Skilletscuz is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2013, 07:39 AM   #15
Consu
Belt holder
ESB Addict
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,531
vCash: 500
Default Re: Why wasn't Campbell able to hurt Bizier...

You could use this same question with any old fighter! Makes no sense.
Consu is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Reply

Boxing News 24 Forum > Boxing > General Boxing Forum

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump





All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:53 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Boxing News 24 Forum 2013