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Old 01-26-2013, 11:16 AM   #61
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Joe Calzaghe's interest in Howard Eastman came after beating Tocker Pudwill. You know something is fishy look at the gap in toughness between Pudwill and Eastman.
Pudwill was a late sub...
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Old 01-26-2013, 11:24 AM   #62
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it was his record of double digit losses
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Plus Johnson had no belt, had lost to Ottke and had lost to fighters top tier fighters should be beating. Mix in the fact that he couldn't fill a sports hall with his fans it makes one wonder how people can say Calzaghe ducked him. Oh and at 175 he had his life and death struggles with Clint 'the mint' Woods.
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Old 01-26-2013, 11:32 AM   #63
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And now to make matters worse apparently Calzaghe ducked Howard Eastman, who whilst a good fighter was never anything special and he would have struggled at 168 imo.

The trolls will now go into Communist style propaganda mode to make Eastman the baddest mother****er on the planet.........hence Calzaghe ducked him.

Howard Eastman would be just another eurobum on Calzaghe's resume . . . . . but Eastman is now some kind of sensation because he fought Bernard Hopkins

Just like eurobum Jirov gets turned into some kind of boxing great because James Toney beat him

Just like Clinton Woods is no eurobum because he lost to Roy Jones
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Old 01-26-2013, 11:35 AM   #64
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selective memory when it comes to Calaghe mate
Tis' and its a damned shame.

I know he's wasn't everyone's cup of tea and he was/is an arrogant SOB at times but the trolls in this thread are just ignoring actual facts to further their agenda.
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Old 01-26-2013, 02:00 PM   #65
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Howard Eastman would be just another eurobum on Calzaghe's resume


We all know Calzaghe's resume is filled with bums.

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. . . . . but Eastman is now some kind of sensation because he fought Bernard Hopkins
Calzaghe seemed keen to face a MW British champ, but when the SMW British champ wanted a fight Calzaghe started bricking it.
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Old 01-26-2013, 02:21 PM   #66
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Byron Mitchell, Brancko Sobot, Gimenez, Sheika, Brewer have losses in double digits yet Calzaghe fought them, but wanted no part of Glen Johnson.

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Plus Johnson had no belt,
Joe Calzaghe has only fought 2 fighters that had a belt:-
Mikkel Kessler (WBC, WBA) and Jeff Lacy (IBF). Other than these two every other fighter Calzaghe fought had no belt yet Calzaghe fought them, but wanted no part of Glen Johnson. (If you include Hopkins paper Ring belt at LHW thats up to you)

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had lost to Ottke
Byron Mitchell, Charles Brewer, and Tocker Pudwill were Ottke's leftovers yet Calzaghe fought them, but still wanted no part of Glen Johnson.

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and had lost to fighters top tier fighters should be beating.
Gimenez, Thornberry, Starie, Sheika, McIntyre, Jimenez, Pudwill, Mkrtchyan, Kabery Salem, Bika, Manfredo lost to fighters top tier fighters should be beating, yet Calzaghe still fought them and wanted no part of Glen Johnson,

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Mix in the fact that he couldn't fill a sports hall with his fans
But Tocker Pudwills fanbase in todays era would crash the twitter servers

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it makes one wonder how people can say Calzaghe ducked him.
Its clearly visable as a sun during a summer sky noon, Calzaghe wanted no part of Glen Johnson.

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Oh and at 175 he had his life and death struggles with Clint 'the mint' Woods.
Its funny, you are trying to shit on Glen Johnson, but had Calzaghe beaten Johnson it would have been a top 5 win, which just goes to show how shit Calzaghe's resume is overall. The truth is, Calzaghe wanted no part of Glen Johnson at 168, or 175.

BTW, Brewer went life and death struggle with Antwun Echols.
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Old 01-26-2013, 02:54 PM   #67
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Glen Johnson fought Ottke in 1999 losing a UD.

In 2000 he went 1-4 losing to Vanderpool, Branco and Sheika (who then went on to be stopped by Calzaghe ). His lone win of the year coming against unproven Toks Owoh.

In 01 he went 1-0 with a good victory over Thomas Ulrich.

In 02 he went 0-1 losing to Harmon.

In 03 he went 1-1-2 losing to Gonzalez, drawing with Judah, getting a good victory over Eric Harding to set up his title shot with Woods which was a draw.

So from the end off 99 to the end of 2003 Glen Johnsons run of fights ran 3-6-2, hardly a list of champions. And whilst I agree Johnsons a lot better than the Pudwills of the era, Pudwill was a late replacement and he had gone the distance with Ottke.

Now in 2004, Johnson had his break out year going 3-0 winning the title and beating Woods, Jones and Tarver. If there was ever a push for the fight it would be now.

But 2005 starts with Johnson losing to Tarver then beating Khalid Jones.

2006 starts Calzaghe gets his break through fight beating Lacy and Johnson again starts the year losing to Woods.

Now I'm not saying Johnson was never worthy enough, but from 1999 to the beginning of 2006 he has only been remotely consistent in 2004, any other year and he's been losing to the type of fighters posters like yourself are calling Calzaghe for beating
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Glen Johnson fought Ottke in 1999 losing a UD.

In 2000 he went 1-4 losing to Vanderpool, Branco and Sheika (who then went on to be stopped by Calzaghe ). His lone win of the year coming against unproven Toks Owoh.

In 01 he went 1-0 with a good victory over Thomas Ulrich.

In 02 he went 0-1 losing to Harmon.

In 03 he went 1-1-2 losing to Gonzalez, drawing with Judah, getting a good victory over Eric Harding to set up his title shot with Woods which was a draw.

So from the end off 99 to the end of 2003 Glen Johnsons run of fights ran 3-6-2, hardly a list of champions. And whilst I agree Johnsons a lot better than the Pudwills of the era, Pudwill was a late replacement and he had gone the distance with Ottke.

Now in 2004, Johnson had his break out year going 3-0 winning the title and beating Woods, Jones and Tarver. If there was ever a push for the fight it would be now.

But 2005 starts with Johnson losing to Tarver then beating Khalid Jones.

2006 starts Calzaghe gets his break through fight beating Lacy and Johnson again starts the year losing to Woods.

Now I'm not saying Johnson was never worthy enough, but from 1999 to the beginning of 2006 he has only been remotely consistent in 2004, any other year and he's been losing to the type of fighters posters like yourself are calling Calzaghe for beating
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Old 01-26-2013, 03:07 PM   #69
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johnson does nothing for calzaghe's resume.
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Old 01-26-2013, 03:11 PM   #70
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johnson does nothing for calzaghe's resume.
Exactly.. Joe Calzaghe knew Johnson would give him a hell of a fight... The risk was not worth the reward. Although, a fight with Johnson at LHW would have been more for Joe's resume that Roy Jones was..
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Glen Johnson fought Ottke in 1999 losing a UD.

In 2000 he went 1-4 losing to Vanderpool, Branco and Sheika (who then went on to be stopped by Calzaghe ). His lone win of the year coming against unproven Toks Owoh.

Sorry, I had to stop reading there, my ears were welling up from all the laughter

Glen Johnson was nothing but a punchbag in the tough 168 era
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Old 01-26-2013, 06:02 PM   #72
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We all know Calzaghe's resume is filled with bums.
Eastman is a 'eurobum' but Tocker Pudwill and Mger Mkrtchyan are world beaters who only enhance Calzaghe's resume



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Calzaghe seemed keen to face a MW British champ, but when the SMW British champ wanted a fight Calzaghe started bricking it.
Story of Joe's career sadly.
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Old 01-26-2013, 07:13 PM   #73
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Story of Joe's career sadly.
No its not, because Calzaghe beat quite a few British Champions in his career.

Starie was a British and Commonwealth Champion, Delaney was an Inter-Continental Champion, Ried was a WBC World Champion, Woodhall was a European and Commonwealth and WBC World Middleweight Champion and a WBC World Super Middleweight champion, and, of course, Eubank was a WBC International and WBO World Middleweight Champion and WBO World Super Middleweight Champion.

Calzaghe fought his fair share of top British fighters in his division. You can't invalidate that just because he never fought Froch.
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Old 01-26-2013, 07:33 PM   #74
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No its not, because Calzaghe beat quite a few British Champions in his career.

Starie was a British and Commonwealth Champion, Delaney was an Inter-Continental Champion, Ried was a WBC World Champion, Woodhall was a European and Commonwealth and WBC World Middleweight Champion and a WBC World Super Middleweight champion, and, of course, Eubank was a WBC International and WBO World Middleweight Champion and WBO World Super Middleweight Champion.

Calzaghe fought his fair share of top British fighters in his division. You can't invalidate that just because he never fought Froch.
He fights all these British champs, then calls out the British MW champ, but when the British SMW champ asks for a showdown he wants no part of him.
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Records aside, I think Johnson and Calzaghe would have been a good fight based on their styles.. Just because Calzaghe beat fighters that beat Johnson means shit.

I would also give LHW Johnson a decent chance in beating Joe there around 04-08.. Joe would likely win, but it would have been fun to see, Calzaghe would be in for a tough fight, with someone really hitting him back for 12 rounds.
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