Why were many old time boxers so scrawny looking

[Manassa]

Originally Posted by highguard

your fucking retarded,

go to a gym and see what happens there,


like i already too much of anything is harmful
look at fucking but you will have the brain power
to question that


bottom is
i actually train and from i can see you
clearly you have no idea what that is


fuck your stupid,

but here is a study to educate you on weights helping injuries

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Fuck your science you fuck stupid, ponce man, look - I train every day non-stop unlike you, with your rest periods and other pussy, man, my grip strength is obscene just from speed bag. Sparring rounds off my training nicely, gives excellent cardio and leg endurance. NOTHING ELSE IS NEEDED YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME!!! Funny thing is, you actually buy that crap you've been reading, sucker.

[john garfield]

Originally Posted by Manassa

Fuck your science you fuck stupid, ponce man, look - I train every day non-stop unlike you, with your rest periods and other pussy, man, my grip strength is obscene just from speed bag. Sparring rounds off my training nicely, gives excellent cardio and leg endurance. NOTHING ELSE IS NEEDED YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME!!! Funny thing is, you actually buy that crap you've been reading, sucker.

Speaking to few -- 'n some of the best old school trainers -- they confided, they humored fighters letting them do that BS, if it built their confidence. Your simple regime made a lot of ATGs.

[Unforgiven]

One old-time trainer told me all you need to develop a world class fighter is that ring over there and the heavy bag.

[Bill1234]

Originally Posted by MagnaNasakki

George is literally like a tank. You don't muscle George. Too much size, girth, and gorilla strength. It isn't just, like, strong arms, legs, whatever...He's blessed with straight animal strength in every fiber of his body. Carrying 700 pounds of elk on his back and shit like it's nothing.

His defense is also underrated. Shots bounced off him funny. I liken it to a boulder in a river. He gets plenty wet, but it takes millenia to punch a hole in him. It just slides off.

It's frustrating as hell, actually. You fire combinations, you stick, and NOTHING is pressing. Nothing sticks. Nothing feels like it's landing right. It's HARD to stand your ground when your getting hit with shots so stiff as to feel like spears and telephone poles, cant make anything PLANT on the guy, and, to top it off, he's got ox genes or something. Unbelievable. It's just not gonna happen. Only guy to ever outmuscle me 100% in there.

Lennox is a beast too, but it was the combination of things with George. It's not JUST strength, it's the combination of brute power, juggernaught defense, mindless tanklike aggression, and jabs and rights so stiff, strong, and heavy that the can knock you OFF your base.

That's how it looked to me. He routinely pushed Evander off with what looked like little nudges. Granted, Evander wasn't the strongest heavyweight, but he was still able to outmuscle most of his oponents.

Originally Posted by MagnaNasakki

Bowe and McCall would have been straight bullied. I had no trouble moving both backwards, George would have either had them on their bikes or circling him(Bowe would have beat him up inside, but would have done so going around him, not consistently backing him up.)


Bonecrusher, Bruno, and Ruddock, I have no idea. Razor didn't ever look too strong to me. Mainly a sharp, explosive puncher, generated a lot of power lunging, but he got straight abused in some of his higher level contests.

I agree, I think Bowe would've won in the 1990s assuming he showed up inshape, but he'd have done it circling, not pushing forward.

I think McCall also would've been forced to move around using his jab, and I think that fight would be very similar in scores as it was with the Holmes fight. About 1 point eitherway would determine the winner.

Bonecrusher in the 1990s wasn't very motivated or good, at least not what he was in the 1980s. Foreman would likely beat him with few problems and force him to back up.

With Bruno it's tough to say who'd have won. I was never all that impressed with Frank and I think he might gas and get stopped late by George. I think he too would've been forced back.

I agree with you about Ruddock, he never seemed that strong compared to other strong heavyweights to me. He was a crisp, hard puncher, but not physically as imposing as many others.

Originally Posted by highguard

i can see what you mean about foreman
but like i said in another thread

he only avoided pretty much all the big strong man in the late 80's and early 90's

ruddock
bruno
mccall
bowe
bonecrusher smith etc

instead he was fighting guys like qawi and looking unmovable
i think these guys would have given him a reason to move

thats why he fought NON of them

Foreman avoided those he felt had a realistic chance at beating him if it wasn't for a title fight. I doubt he was ever even remotely concerned about them physically hurting or abusing him, he was more concerned with being outpointed.

[Unforgiven]

Oliver McCall was made for Foreman, imo.
The fight was never touted even when both were champions, as far as I remember. Foreman had no plans to get in with Don King.
I think he would have handled McCall quite 'easily' though.

[highguard]

Originally Posted by Manassa

Fuck your science you fuck stupid, ponce man, look - I train every day non-stop unlike you, with your rest periods and other pussy, man, my grip strength is obscene just from speed bag. Sparring rounds off my training nicely, gives excellent cardio and leg endurance. NOTHING ELSE IS NEEDED YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME!!! Funny thing is, you actually buy that crap you've been reading, sucker.

WELL WHAT CAN I PROVE TO A RETARD?

NOTHING UNLESS, YOU LIVE IN ONTARIO CANADA AND WE CAN SPAR

nothing else was needed in the days when heavyweights looked like
today's jr.middleweights
and then again maybe not then too

seriously how can you say fuck sports science
are your really that retarded

[highguard]

Originally Posted by Unforgiven

Oliver McCall was made for Foreman, imo.
The fight was never touted even when both were champions, as far as I remember. Foreman had no plans to get in with Don King.
I think he would have handled McCall quite 'easily' though.

maybe so or maybe not

but foreman somehow always avoided these types
that were made for him
because they would stand and bang with him

odd

[highguard]

Originally Posted by john garfield

Speaking to few -- 'n some of the best old school trainers -- they confided, they humored fighters letting them do that BS, if it built their confidence. Your simple regime made a lot of ATGs.

where to to begin,
they made ATG's who fought
other guys who trained excatlyy like them


so what is BS TO YOU

working to get stronger?
not distrorying your knee caps by running on hard pavement?

or the fact that doing weights and doing pull ups
will both have the same negative effects ie stiffness etc

[highguard]

Originally Posted by Unforgiven

One old-time trainer told me all you need to develop a world class fighter is that ring over there and the heavy bag.

hmm did you ask him

how much he knew about power training?

how much he knew about interval training

how much he knew about spirts vs long distance running

how much did he know about the long term affects of running

did he know that a lot of polyometric stuff
is also weight training,

i bet he knew as much as a guy walking down the street

what he does know is boxing techique,
and how to work the corner
etc etc

[Manassa]

Originally Posted by highguard

WELL WHAT CAN I PROVE TO A RETARD?

NOTHING UNLESS, YOU LIVE IN ONTARIO CANADA AND WE CAN SPAR

nothing else was needed in the days when heavyweights looked like
today's jr.middleweights
and then again maybe not then too

seriously how can you say fuck sports science
are your really that retarded

Sports science exists and it tells you to get sparring and put in the rounds on the speed bag - for boxing of course. If you were a cyclist you would do nothing but cycling and some side crunches for optimal results. You believe in all the shopping channel stuff, thicko.

I'll fight you. I'm in Quebec at the end of next month for sixteen days, gives you a bit of preparation time. I'm warning you, scum.

[highguard]

Originally Posted by Manassa

Sports science exists and it tells you to get sparring and put in the rounds on the speed bag - for boxing of course. If you were a cyclist you would do nothing but cycling and some side crunches for optimal results. You believe in all the shopping channel stuff, thicko.

I'll fight you. I'm in Quebec at the end of next month for sixteen days, gives you a bit of preparation time. I'm warning you, scum.

your warning me, you little faggot,

you wont last a round, come to toronto anytime
just to let you know i am 240 pound heavyweight

and how much boxing have you done
2 mouths at a boxercise place lol


again you really think cyclists
do nothing but cycle
how fucking stupid are you

[highguard]

ps if you come to toronto

go to scullys boxing club, near dupont and dufferin

ask for leo the russian,

i am there 5 days a week
its time for you to learn a lesson

little hoe

[Manassa]

Originally Posted by highguard

your warning me, you little faggot,

you wont last a round, come to toronto anytime
just to let you know i am 240 pound heavyweight

and how much boxing have you done
2 mouths at a boxercise place lol


again you really think cyclists
do nothing but cycle
how fucking stupid are you

I said they cycle AND do crunches you fat, fat shit.

240lbs of fat is nothing. I'm 140lbs of pure muscle (say what you want, Bruce Lee was 140lbs but I am much taller and rangier).

I did backyard boxing on and off for over a year from the age of fifteen to sixteen, plus I study old boxers.

More than enough to make you look like a sex crime victim in your own gym. Tell me which one it is so I can fuck you up come February 27th.

[Manassa]

Originally Posted by highguard

ps if you come to toronto

go to scullys boxing club, near dupont and dufferin

ask for leo the russian,

i am there 5 days a week
its time for you to learn a lesson

little hoe

Leo the Russian!! Hahaha.

You better be scared you fat man.

[highguard]

Originally Posted by Manassa

Leo the Russian!! Hahaha.

You better be scared you fat man.

yes call me fat man
or russian or anything you like

just show up and get knocked the fuck out

talk is over, just show up or shut the fuck up
and know that your a pussy


140 pounds lol, man this will be fun
i, will make you my bitch

JUST SHOW UP,