When did wrestling go out as a method of training for boxers?

[Johnstown]

Maybe I should have put this in classic but I figured some of the classic guys come in here.

Anyhow, I know many early guys often wrestled in camp...some of that goes back to London Prize Rules, when wrestling and judo like throws where allowed, and clinches seemed not ot have gotten broken up at all. Many did Greco style wrestling..because it focuses on above the waist take downs, which was what was allowed under London Prize Rules (thats just my own thinking, but I often see that most of the early guys trained with Greco wrestlers, and that is how they do it...which was similar to LPR rules)

Anyhow, I know Jeffries and Johnson were said to be very good wrestlers, and that they both used clinches a good bit...I know Johnson wrested in exhibitions, and those seemed to have been "real" wrestling matches. I know Dempsey did a great deal of greco type wrestling clinch work for Carpartner, and it is also said he was pretty good at catch as catch can submission wrestling.


The last heavyweight I have ever heard to seemed to wrestle allot in camp (as a means of training, not pro wrestling stuff) seems to have been Jim Braddock.

Anyow, does anyone know how much wrestling was done..when did it toally die out., was anyone still doing it for training in the 40s? how about the 50s? .why did it totally die out...im guessing they decided the injuries off set the benefits.

Thanks for anyone who knows anything on this.

[brown bomber]

I get my lads to wrestle for under hooks sometimes as a warm up- in fact not done that for a while I'll chuck that in next week

[Jdsm]

Originally Posted by brown bomber

I get my lads to wrestle for under hooks sometimes as a warm up- in fact not done that for a while I'll chuck that in next week

What do you mean by this mate?

[Primate]

Originally Posted by Jdsm

What do you mean by this mate?

[scrap]

Theres some good Crossovers, in the Biomechanics. Especially Judo, plus its Fun.

[boranbkk]

Originally Posted by Primate

That's an interesting clip Primate. Never seen it before but it's very very similar to what your trying to achieve with hand positioning for control in parts of a Muay Thai clinch, just not chest to chest.

[brown bomber]

If you watch my fights I always do bit and bobs from grappling if I can get away with it.

[brown bomber]

Originally Posted by scrap

Theres some good Crossovers, in the Biomechanics. Especially Judo, plus its Fun.

Can you recommend me some drills to look at H?

[Primate]

Originally Posted by boranbkk

That's an interesting clip Primate. Never seen it before but it's very very similar to what your trying to achieve with hand positioning for control in parts of a Muay Thai clinch, just not chest to chest.

There are some really good wrestling drills on youtube. I like to mix them in, either as part of a warm up, or a dedicated session. A lot of it would work well with muay thai, as you said, basic pummeling, with a slightly different goal.

[ripcity]

I've always thought that wrestling,and other martial arts like Judo, Ju Jitso or MMA training. Would be good cross training.

[scrap]

Originally Posted by brown bomber

Can you recommend me some drills to look at H?

Jeff, Judo has a very similar Balance mechanics to Boxing. Plus pull and push movement as switch hitting. Interesting way is doing it on the Knees for speed, of leg movement.