Bellator 86 Live discussion thread. King Mo, Ben Askren, Zaromskis, etc...SPOILERS

[Muchmoore]

Originally Posted by sugarngold

Amoussou had the fight won. He should have gone all the way with that ankle lock and snapped it ala Ken Shamrock/Leon Dijk in Pancrase. He fucked up.

Yeah a Sub like that you have to go all the way.
Idk hiw close he was tho I'd have to see a replay though askren knows what's up

[sugarngold]

Wrestlers are traditionally weak against leg attacks so it's a gamble.

[Rob_Floyd]

That's a wrap, folks.

[sugarngold]

Askren's ankle will hurt him later but it's nothing major. Just popped his ankle. You haven't trained submissions until you get your ankle popped in class.

[Rob_Floyd]

Not a lot of guys that can stop Askren from doing that to them.

Not looking forward to seeing him do it against Koreshkov, another exciting young WW that will undoubtedly meet the same fate as all of Askren's other opponents.

[Johnstown]

Originally Posted by the_bigunit

You can say "pussy" on TV? Lol

yeah i noticed that..it was like everyone used it too..like they said (you can use pussy) really, spike is cable, not broadcast, so technically speaking they arent under the FCA..having said that, most of the chanlles do have some self imposed standards because they want to be carried by lots of cable companies and get good ad revenue. Pussy has become more accepted, as long as you use it to reference someone who is weak or scarred...you still can't say something like "her pussy tastes good"

[Johnstown]

Originally Posted by Rob_Floyd

He shouldn't have even went for a leg against such a great scrambler.

Why would you say that? wrestlers get caught in leg shit all the time ....as a submission guy its one of the things you try to do to wrestlers..back in the day it was a guittine shoke on the shoot.but now must guys cross train enough to change up the head position to avoid that....but the legs are still one of the best chances against a wrestler...and besides.it almost worked...if he had been a bit more mean with it and stayed focused it likely would have worked.

[Rob_Floyd]

Originally Posted by Johnstown

Why would you say that? wrestlers get caught in leg shit all the time ....as a submission guy its one of the things you try to do to wrestlers..back in the day it was a guittine shoke on the shoot.but now must guys cross train enough to change up the head position to avoid that....but the legs are still one of the best chances against a wrestler...and besides.it almost worked...if he had been a bit more mean with it and stayed focused it likely would have worked.

Askren is an excellent all around grappler, and has shown very strong submission defence in the past. Unless you are an absolute master at them, leg locks, for the most part, are low percentage, and against a guy like Askren that thrives in the scramble, I don't think worth risking. Kael had a dominant position, but instead of keeping it or trying to get back to his feet, where he had a realistic chance at winning, he went for a submission was almost certainly going to fail. Sure he came close, but he ended up precisely where Askren wanted him.

I can respect that he had the confidence and balls to go for it, but I don't think it was smart. His game plan should have been based around two simple things: Don't throw lazy kicks, and avoid the ground as much as possible.

[Johnstown]

Originally Posted by Rob_Floyd

Askren is an excellent all around grappler, and has shown very strong submission defence in the past. Unless you are an absolute master at them, leg locks, for the most part, are low percentage, and against a guy like Askren that thrives in the scramble, I don't think worth risking. Kael had a dominant position, but instead of keeping it or trying to get back to his feet, where he had a realistic chance at winning, he went for a submission was almost certainly going to fail. Sure he came close, but he ended up precisely where Askren wanted him.

I can respect that he had the confidence and balls to go for it, but I don't think it was smart. His game plan should have been based around two simple things: Don't throw lazy kicks, and avoid the ground as much as possible.

usually guys from Russia are pretty good at them due to Sombo...of course this guy was Polish..so sure..having said that..my understand has always been that wrestlers are a bit suseptable to leg attacks on the ground. Honestly It looked like Kael would have had it if he wouldnt have been distracted by being nice.

[HeGlassedMe]

Askren is an animal.