Andre Ward Fed Up With Froch and Kessler Excuses. sets em straight

[Scar]

Originally Posted by Elliot

To be honest, I think it is just about as bad everywhere. I wouldn't say fighters get jobbed every time, just as I wouldn't say it happens in the US,

I disagree. Compare how many big fights the US hosted involving two foreign fighters with England. If corruption occur it doesn't necessarily always benefit the locals, unlike England.

[Dipset]

He's lost all respect...for them....

[FPJ]

Lol, those guys in the restaurant were looking at Ward like "who the **** is he and why are those cheap cameras filming him"...They might have thought they were shooting a script for a porn movie.

No one knows or gives a **** about Ward, not even most americans. No one wants to pay tickets to see him fight. No one wants to buy his pay per view. The guy has no clue that there can be more than 4 000 chairs in a boxing arena.

Who cares for what Ward has to say. Few know who he is anyway...

[MrMagic]

Kessler and Froch are the only legitimate threats in the division, Ward needs to acknowledge that simple fact and the simple fact that people want to see him fight Kessler in particular again.

It'd be amazing to see him come over to Europe and provide boxing with a great fight.

[perspicacity]

Originally Posted by Scar

Another drunken idiot that needs a reality check. REAL FIGHTS HAPPEN IN AMERICA, CHECK HISTORY, ALMOST ALL OF THE BIG FIGHTS TAKE PLACE IN AMERICA. THEY DON'T AND WON'T TAKE PLACE IN ENGLAND WHERE THE LOCAL FIGHTER IS ALLOWED TO USE UFC/MMA TACTICS WHILE THE FOREIGNER LOOKS ON. They won't/don't take place in Wales either, otherwise Calzaghe wouldn't have arrived and left without anyone giving two shits. There, roll that, smoke it and choke on it. Retard.

WTF are you babbling on about fool?

The winner of Froch/Kessler will require this guy to get himself along to the passport office ........... guaranteed ........... how the **** can he or idiots like you expect a serious offer until after they get this over with?

Ward is piggy-backing off of this fight between these two warriors because no-one is interested in him

[qwert]

Originally Posted by Scar

I disagree. Compare how many big fights the US hosted involving two foreign fighters with England. If corruption occur it doesn't necessarily always benefit the locals, unlike England.

Most of the biggest robberies I've seen in the last few years have occurred in America:

Williams vs Lara
Cloud vs Campillo
Rios vs Abril

All benefited the American fighter.

[Vyborg1917]

Not to deny the existence of national bias, but promotional affiliation has always been the key to corruption.

[knockout artist]

Originally Posted by qwert

Most of the biggest robberies I've seen in the last few years have occurred in America:

Williams vs Lara
Cloud vs Campillo
Rios vs Abril

All benefited the American fighter.

To that list, add Pacquiao vs Bradley. Don't forget the terrible corrupt officiating that benefitted American fighters in Mayweather-Hatton and Hopkins-Calzaghe. Cortez seemed happy to allow Hopkins to grapple, hit and hold all night. Every time Ricky got close to Mayweather Cortez broke them up

As for Ward's interview, Froch and Kessler have made it clear all along that they want to rematch each other first, then Ward. Why would they make him an offer, when they're in negotiations to rematch each other???

Ward clearly sounds upset that the best fights are taking place in his division, and he isn't involved in them. Simply because he has a few hundred fans in Oakland, and a couple of fans elsewhere, no-one cares to see this guy headbutt, elbow and grapple his way to boring decision wins, which is why his viewing numbers and purses are lower than the guys he's talking about.

Look at the publicity Froch got for beating Bute, that could have been Ward's publicity, but he stayed away from Bute. One more point, Froch and Kessler are both making more money than Ward - 'That's interesting'

[dinovelvet]

Originally Posted by knockout artist

To that list, add Pacquiao vs Bradley. Don't forget the terrible corrupt officiating that benefitted American fighters in Mayweather-Hatton and Hopkins-Calzaghe. Cortez seemed happy to allow Hopkins to grapple, hit and hold all night. Every time Ricky got close to Mayweather Cortez broke them up

As for Ward's interview, Froch and Kessler have made it clear all along that they want to rematch each other first, then Ward. Why would they make him an offer, when they're in negotiations to rematch each other???

Ward clearly sounds upset that the best fights are taking place in his division, and he isn't involved in them. Simply because he has a few hundred fans in Oakland, and a couple of fans elsewhere, no-one cares to see this guy headbutt, elbow and grapple his way to boring decision wins, which is why his viewing numbers and purses are lower than the guys he's talking about.

Look at the publicity Froch got for beating Bute, that could have been Ward's publicity, but he stayed away from Bute. One more point, Froch and Kessler are both making more money than Ward - 'That's interesting'

Has there ever been a more retarded post on ESB? He's not involved in the fights because he already beat them both. They made it clear whoever wins will get another shot at the no.1 and thats what they are fighting for. Ward got huge publicity and praise for wiping out the no.1 LHW champ while Bute was getting busted up by some nobody.

[knockout artist]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

Has there ever been a more retarded post on ESB?

There's your post right here for starters

He's not involved in the fights because he already beat them both. They made it clear whoever wins will get another shot at the no.1 and thats what they are fighting for.

No, they are fighting for bragging rights, titles and money. Where did Kessler and Froch make this clear? Provide quotes from both fighters please

Ward got huge publicity and praise for wiping out the no.1 LHW champ while Bute was getting busted up by some nobody.

What praise and publicity? The only thing evident that night was that Chad Dawson cannot safely make 168 - Edison Miranda knocked him out in sparring a week earlier Ward didn't wipe out the LHW champ, he beat up a drained 168 journeyman, you wipe out the 175 champ by going up to 175 and beating him for his title

That 'nobody' Bute got busted up by is Carl Froch, the consensus number 2 SMW in the world.


What publicity by the way!? As far as I can tell, Ward is still an unknown fighter with a small following in Oakland, was the Ward Dawson fight even on PPV?? But on point, anyone who rates Ward's win over Dawson is clearly trolling, so don't waste my time again

[dinovelvet]

Originally Posted by knockout artist

There's your post right here for starters




No, they are fighting for bragging rights, titles and money. Where did Kessler and Froch make this clear? Provide quotes from both fighters please






What praise and publicity? The only thing evident that night was that Chad Dawson cannot safely make 168 - Edison Miranda knocked him out in sparring a week earlier Ward didn't wipe out the LHW champ, he beat up a drained 168 journeyman, you wipe out the 175 champ by going up to 175 and beating him for his title

That 'nobody' Bute got busted up by is Carl Froch, the consensus number 2 SMW in the world.


What publicity by the way!? As far as I can tell, Ward is still an unknown fighter with a small following in Oakland, was the Ward Dawson fight even on PPV?? But on point, anyone who rates Ward's win over Dawson is clearly trolling, so don't waste my time again

Hahaha. He was getting busted up by Grechev. More proof you're the biggest know nothing on ESB. Miranda is rumour,not fact. theres video proof of Dawson manager claiming he was cutting the weight fine. Dawson is a pro and had months to make the weight. Fighters move up and down and have been doing so for centurys. Fact of the matter is Ward was too good and the opinion of a hater like you means nothing.

[knockout artist]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

Hahaha. He was getting busted up by Grechev. More proof you're the biggest know nothing on ESB.

What does that fight have to do with Ward idiot? Last I checked Bute won that fight clearly

Miranda is rumour,not fact. theres video proof of Dawson manager claiming he was cutting the weight fine.

By spending all day in the sauna!?

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Dawson is a pro and had months to make the weight. Fighters move up and down and have been doing so for centurys. Fact of the matter is Ward was too good and the opinion of a hater like you means nothing.

So Roy Jones wasn't affected by coming from 193-199 pounds - 185 pounds?

De La Hoya wasn't affected by going from JMW to WW?

An article from the weigh in

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Title: 'Dawson looks weight drained for Ward fight'

Dawson's manager What do you expect him to say? 'Chad is ****ed, he's killed himself to make weight and has no chance'

To add to this

John Scully was put in a tough spot in the months and weeks leading up to the clash between light heavyweight champ Chad Dawson and super middleweight champ Andre Ward. With his fighter, Dawson, dropping down from 175 to 168 for the first time since 2006, many wondered if the weight cut might be excessively draining to a man who walks around without much body fat on him.

Nah, Scully said to media when asked about the weight-drain worries. My guy will be OK, he said.

Could he have answered otherwise, even if he felt that the weigh loss would be a severe detriment to Dawson, and let the other team know his fighter would be weak on fight night?

After Dawson was dropped three times and stopped by Ward in Round 10 Saturday night in Las Vegas, the Connecticut-based ex-pro admitted to NYFightBlog that making 168 took it out of Dawson.

For real, I asked, was Dawson weight-drained?

"Unbelievably," Scully told me.

And when did you know this?

"A couple weeks ago," Scully said.

Compubox said Dawson landed just 29 punches in nine plus rounds, an anemic stat for a top-shelf hitter, even if he is facing off against a pound-for-pound stud.

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[dinovelvet]

All excuses. From the man himself.
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Dropping 7 pounds over months isn't being weight drained.

Ward beat him by shutout and made him look bad. Lot of people had Dawson winning that fight.

Even the reporter said he looked good. Too bad for you hater.

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[dinovelvet]

Ward whips Dawson in statement win

Rafael's remarks: "Performances get no better than Ward's in this big-time pound-for-pound showdown. Simply put, Ward stamped himself as perhaps the best fighter in the world not named Floyd Mayweather Jr. He dominated in stunningly easy fashion against an elite opponent in a fight that most expected to be highly competitive. Even though Ward plowed through the Super Six World Boxing Classic tournament against a slew of top super middleweights to win a pair of world titles, including the final in December against Carl Froch, and emerged as the king of the division, this fight appeared (on paper anyway) to be his toughest test. Instead, Ward, 28, made it look like one of his easiest fights, much to the delight of the 8,500 hometown fans at the Oracle Arena.

Ward thoroughly and systematically beat down Dawson, a taller, longer, bigger man with immense talent and a résumé almost as good as Ward's -- but compiled in the light heavyweight division, in which he is the world champion. After Dawson, 30, of New Haven, Conn., completed a lopsided decision win against the great Bernard Hopkins in April, he called out Ward and surprised many when he said he would drop from 175 to fight Ward at 168. He also agreed to go on the road to Ward's hometown, so much credit to him on both counts.

Although many criticized the match, believing it would be a boring fight between fighters who rely far more on boxing and technical skills than mano a mano slugging, they were wrong. Although one-sided, it was a highly entertaining fight that had fans on their feet and cheering throughout. HBO, often criticized for how it spends its money, was right to bankroll this fight. We got to see a good fight and find out what happens when two of the best in the business meet.

Ward took over early and never let up. He dropped Dawson three times, perhaps giving credence to the story circulating that Edison Miranda had knocked out Dawson in sparring during his training camp. Ward cut Dawson's right eye in the second round and dropped him in the third, fourth and 10th rounds, mainly using a laser-like left hook that Dawson couldn't avoid. After Dawson went down in the 10th round, he made it to his feet but was absolutely finished. And he said as much to referee Steve Smoger, who called it off at 2 minutes, 45 seconds. It was a wise move by Dawson, who was down 90-79, 89-80, 89-80 and had no prayer left".

[knockout artist]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

All excuses. From the man himself.
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Dropping 7 pounds over months isn't being weight drained.

Ward beat him by shutout and made him look bad. Lot of people had Dawson winning that fight.

Even the reporter said he looked good. Too bad for you hater.

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This is a pretty weak response, even by your standards :

Dawson's weight:

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The only person on here who denies that Dawson was severely weight drained is you