"About 90% of boxers in this country in my opinion, lead unprofessional lifestyles."

[Primadonna Kool]

Muscular Endurance is needed all over the body in boxing, why wouldn't it be..? Its common sense, and even if you don't really understand sport science just back observation you would understand this.

I don't know whether you was taking the piss Ero-sennin.

Maybe being sarcastic, maybe so.

Skipping is more of a motor skill exercise, but can be manipulated into anaerobic or aerobic exercise.

I used to refuse to skip when i went to boxing, thought it was a joke exercise.

[Sogoplayboy]

Why does it seem to be the norm for boxers to get up and run ridiculously early?

Serious question. What are the benefits of running at this time?

[Primadonna Kool]

Originally Posted by Sogoplayboy

Why does it seem to be the norm for boxers to get up and run ridiculously early?

Serious question. What are the benefits of running at this time?

Probably something mythical, from the days of William Wallace.

[Primadonna Kool]

Originally Posted by atberry

You aren't risking injury using machines, because it's a natural curve of motion, and you aren't risking injury using 10 reps instead of 1 rep, because the weight is lighter (not that you can't add 10lbs a fortnight using 10 reps and still have a stronger 1RM, you can.)

Did you know free weights prevent injury, because they strengthen fixator muscles/tendons/ligaments more.

Body Weight Callisthenics, Free weights are both better than MACHINES.

Retard....

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[rampant]

Originally Posted by Sogoplayboy

Why does it seem to be the norm for boxers to get up and run ridiculously early?

Serious question. What are the benefits of running at this time?

I believe it's partly to do with discipline and partly to do with burning fat, kick start the metabolism.

[Sogoplayboy]

Originally Posted by Primadonna Kool

Probably something mythical, from the days of William Wallace.

It just seems strange to me!

If you find that's the best time for you to run then fair enough but it seems to be expected of boxers. You always hear them referring to "getting up early to do road work".

[Sogoplayboy]

Originally Posted by rampant

I believe it's partly to do with discipline and partly to do with burning fat, kick start the metabolism.

Cheers for the response, to be fair those reasons make sense!

[GazOC]

Originally Posted by Sogoplayboy

Why does it seem to be the norm for boxers to get up and run ridiculously early?

Serious question. What are the benefits of running at this time?

Maybe its just as simple as the training faciliites arn't generally open to do any other type of training? A few miles early in the day, then breakfast, then rest is making decent use of time without affecting the rest of the days training.

[Primadonna Kool]

Originally Posted by rampant

I believe it's partly to do with discipline and partly to do with burning fat, kick start the metabolism.

You know what kicks starts the metabolism in the morning...? Eating.

If you train, and don't eat! like many boxers, you body can switch to famine mode.

This is why many boxers, in-between training camps gain weight faster than Vanessa Feltz.

Once your body turns to famine mode, because it thinks it is starving it will automatically make a extra effort to break down food into glucose and store it predominately as fat.

Somebody like David Haye mainly eats the same in training camp and out of training camp.

But most other boxers are in starvation mode, so when they are in-between training camps! They don't even have to booze or eat unhealthy, they just have to eat more! and they will predominate gain excess fat! Its a self defence, mechanism the body has.

"During Starvation Mode, you will lose weight! But when you go back to eating a normal diet, and eating when you are hungry and fully satisfying yourself..? You will gain excess fat! This is why people who are constantly on diets, just keep getting fatter and fatter"...

[ero-sennin]

Originally Posted by Primadonna Kool

Muscular Endurance is needed all over the body in boxing, why wouldn't it be..? Its common sense, and even if you don't really understand sport science just back observation you would understand this.

I don't know whether you was taking the piss Ero-sennin.

Maybe being sarcastic, maybe so.

Skipping is more of a motor skill exercise, but can be manipulated into anaerobic or aerobic exercise.

I used to refuse to skip when i went to boxing, thought it was a joke exercise.

No I wasn't taking the piss PK. Muscular endurance is required mainly in the legs and shoulders for boxing. Chest, biceps, etc not as much.

Skipping will not only build muscular endurance in the legs, but will teach you how to be light on your feet and improve cardio endurance. I don't agree that it's a joke exercise.

sogoplayboy, I believe it's more of a mental thing to run early i.e. gives boxers the feeling they're making sacrifices, and deserve to be rewarded for getting up at 4am each day.

[GazOC]

But you can easily rattle off 6-10 miles slow, aerobic running in the morning before breakfast without any problems.

[ero-sennin]

Originally Posted by GazOC

Maybe its just as simple as the training faciliites arn't generally open to do any other type of training? A few miles early in the day, then breakfast, then rest is making decent use of time without affecting the rest of the days training.

or this.

[Primadonna Kool]

Originally Posted by ero-sennin

No I wasn't taking the piss PK. Muscular endurance is required mainly in the legs and shoulders for boxing. Chest, biceps, etc not as much.

Skipping will not only build muscular endurance in the legs, but will teach you how to be light on your feet and improve cardio endurance. I don't agree that it's a joke exercise.

sogoplayboy, I believe it's more of a mental thing to run early i.e. gives boxers the feeling they're making sacrifices, and deserve to be rewarded for getting up at 4am each day.

I will respect your opinion, but boxing is a full body exercise.

Muscular endurance is needed all over the body. If you understand the bio-mechanics in boxing, you will understand that chest, back, legs, Core is all needed in vast amounts to performance to optimal ability.

You must understand, when one muscle is a prime mover, another muscle is a fixator muscle, or a synergistic muscle, muscles all work together to create movements! You cannot just single out a group of muscles or down play their involvement.

This is where people go wrong on this thread, they make their own theories out of thin air.

But that's life.

[Nipple]

Originally Posted by Lilo

I don't think its a coincidence that our top 4 boxers in Britain (Haye, Froch, Khan & Burns) are all exceptionally clean livers (and have exceptionally clean livers).

They rarely drink, I believe, and seem to be the most 'professional' in terms of preparation, weight control and diet.

Haye was spending £1k a week on food in the build up to the fight with Wladimir, if my memory serves me correctly.

What Haye eats is AMAZING!

[ero-sennin]

Originally Posted by Primadonna Kool

I will respect your opinion, but boxing is a full body exercise.

Muscular endurance is needed all over the body. If you understand the bio-mechanics in boxing, you will understand that chest, back, legs, Core is all needed in vast amounts to performance to optimal ability.

You must understand, when one muscle is a prime mover, another muscle is a fixator muscle, or a synergistic muscle, muscles all work together to create movements! You cannot just single out a group of muscles or down play their involvement.

This is where people go wrong on this thread, they make their own theories out of thin air.

But that's life.

I'm not disagreeing with that. Of course all the muscles are used for movements but what I'm saying is that for certain muscles, you wouldn't need to focus so much on endurance training. You would still be training the core, the back, and other muscles, but not in the same way you would train the legs and the shoulders. You would train the other muscles more for strength. Just my opinion. That's the way we did it, and to me it made sense. My coach sometimes made us spend 15-20 mins a session just on legs. Other body parts were not given the same attention. We did push ups to work the chest and triceps, of course we did. But we never spent much time on it. The legs and the shoulders will be the muscles that will be burning the most when you're boxing The first areas that fail, causing cramp and causing your hands to drop because you don't have the endurance to keep them up. When do you hear someone complain that their triceps are burning too much, when boxing?