Why don't we allow soccer kicks in MMA again?

[rekcutnevets]

I am ok with soccer kicks to a downed opponent, as long as it at the higher levels. I'm ok with a lot of things at the higher level. Elbows of all varieties, knees at any time, headbutts, etc...

I am not ok with these being universal rules. I am not ok with someone making $500 for a fight, and risking the type of injury(ies) that can come from this. Headbutts and elbows can lead to nasy cuts, and I think that only the fighters making enough to fight once or twice a year should face these dangers.

[Haggis McJackass]

Originally Posted by macp1

i say you shouldnt punch a downed attacker. You kick him, it's easier. At least that was what I was taught in Combat Ju-Jit-Su (not this BJJ lol)

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Originally Posted by rusty nails

i dont care much for displays of unbridled violence i care more about seeing combatants overwhelm their opponents with skillfully applied technique. not just punting for the goalposts and hoping one lands

Indeed.

That's a divide in the sport's fanbase for sure. Guys who want to see a sporting contest versus guys who just want to watch two animals curb-stomping each other.

When the ruleset makes half the knockouts look like fucking serious criminal assaults, the sport is always going to be completely irrelevant in the West. People have enough problems seeing guys get sliced open by elbows, and that's not nearly as uncomfortable as watching a half-conscious guy get soccer kicked in the head and stomped out.

If Western MMA wants to be anything other than an irrelevant sideshow, it can't have stomps and soccer kicks. Because that shit it just too tough to defend as being part of a legitimate sporting contest.

[BobDigi5060]

Soccer kicks and stomps for Championship bouts?

Headbutts too?

[rekcutnevets]

Originally Posted by BobDigi5060

Soccer kicks and stomps for Championship bouts?

Headbutts too?

Don't forget allowance of the dick in your mouth.

Yes, you can tongue the anus if you want.

Originally Posted by rusty nails

i dont care much for displays of unbridled violence i care more about seeing combatants overwhelm their opponents with skillfully applied technique. not just punting for the goalposts and hoping one lands

[BobDigi5060]

Originally Posted by Haggis McJackass

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Indeed.

That's a divide in the sport's fanbase for sure. Guys who want to see a sporting contest versus guys who just want to watch two animals curb-stomping each other.

When the ruleset makes half the knockouts look like fucking serious criminal assaults, the sport is always going to be completely irrelevant in the West. People have enough problems seeing guys get sliced open by elbows, and that's not nearly as uncomfortable as watching a half-conscious guy get soccer kicked in the head and stomped out.

If Western MMA wants to be anything other than an irrelevant sideshow, it can't have stomps and soccer kicks. Because that shit it just too tough to defend as being part of a legitimate sporting contest.

#ing A', but I don't believe that the sport is irrelevant here in the West... Maybe 75% of the bars in town (basically the ones that can afford to) play free UFC and ppv cards, lots of UFC gear being worn in the gym, and a few gyms started in the past 10 years are fairly popular now. Don't know about Down Under, but the sport is very much tolerated in these parts

Originally Posted by rekcutnevets

Don't forget allowance of the dick in your mouth.

Yes, you can tongue the anus if you want.

Oh, I won't

[Haggis McJackass]

Originally Posted by BobDigi5060

#ing A', but I don't believe that the sport is irrelevant here in the West... Maybe 75% of the bars in town (basically the ones that can afford to) play free UFC and ppv cards, lots of UFC gear being worn in the gym, and a few gyms started in the past 10 years are fairly popular now. Don't know about Down Under, but the sport is very much tolerated in these parts

No, I wasn't trying to say that it's irrelevant now.

But a big part of that has been the unified rules. Take it back to the days of stomps and soccer kicks and there's no Fox deal, no Nike sponsorships for Jon Jones, no PPVs showing in packed bars. It would be back to the days where nobody gives a fuck, the sport is not taken seriously, it's not seen as a valid pro option for a serious athlete, and there's no ability to become a mainstream, respected sports star in the West.

[outtieDrake]

because its for cunts

[boranbkk]

Originally Posted by outtieDrake

because its for cunts

Quality, absolute quality posting! Thanks for that insightful gem!

[macp1]

Originally Posted by Haggis McJackass

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lol

[macp1]

It would DEFINITELY stop Jon Jones from doing his down on all fours monkey attack!

[Koa]

Because people seem to like Gay Guido and his body hair subdue guys than watch actual fighting where people try to finish one another.

Gay Guida didn't fight, he played to win an MMA match, everything he did was predictable.

[Haggis McJackass]

Originally Posted by Koa

Because people seem to like Gay Guido and his body hair subdue guys than watch actual fighting where people try to finish one another.

Gay Guida didn't fight, he played to win an MMA match, everything he did was predictable.

It's a sporting contest, not a pure fight.

And nobody likes Guida's last couple of performances. His career has suffered for it as well. Everybody knows that guys who push the action and go for finishes get more opportunities, earn more money through bonuses, and have more leeway when it comes to not getting cut after losses. Because of his "effort" against Maynard, Guida found himself frozen out of the main card and buried on the prelims of a free-to-air card - just one fight removed from an exciting, competitive back-and-forth fight with Bendo.

[rusty nails]

Originally Posted by Koa

Because people seem to like Gay Guido and his body hair subdue guys than watch actual fighting where people try to finish one another.

Gay Guida didn't fight, he played to win an MMA match, everything he did was predictable.

nobody has earned the right to change his style more than guida

[rekcutnevets]

Originally Posted by Koa

Because people seem to like Gay Guido and his body hair subdue guys than watch actual fighting where people try to finish one another.

Gay Guida didn't fight, he played to win an MMA match, everything he did was predictable.

I, and most people that I've listened to, do not like watching Guida fight. He does not have an entertaining style. However, he is just using the skill set he has to work with. Guida has little striking skills, and comes from a wrestling background. His goal is to take you down, and try to beat you up.

I'll give him a little credit for trying to pass his opponent's guard. Some of the wrestlers are content on staying there and trying to punch away. Attempting to pass means he is trying to advance his position, which gives evidence he is trying to win by doing more than just laying on his opponent. The problem is he is in a very competitive division, and he often can't pass his opponents' guards. This leads us to that wonderful stalemate that most of us enjoy watching so much.