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Old 02-28-2013, 07:26 PM   #1
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Default Rate best sub 175 men pre 1930.

OK another thread, McGrain's top 100 sparked off this idea, rate the top, I don't know, say 25, men under 175 pounds pre 1930.
Off the top of my head, and feel free to add to the mix;
Choynski,
Root,
Childs
McCoy
O'Brien
Burns
Fitz
Gardner
Langford
Ryan
Walcott
Clarke
Dillon
Ketchell
Carpentier
Levinsky
Norfolk
Greb
Gibbons
Miske
Loughran
Delaney
Stribling
Walker.......
I'm sure I missed some.
Ground rules, body of work at all weights count, we're talking career accomplishments here, body of work, peak ability with a bit of head to head to seperate close calls.
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Old 02-28-2013, 07:34 PM   #2
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Jack Johnson for a while
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Old 02-28-2013, 07:53 PM   #3
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Guys in red, top ten?
Choynski,
Root,
Childs
McCoy
O'Brien
Burns
Fitz
Gardner
Langford
Ryan
Walcott
Clarke
Dillon
Ketchell
Carpentier
Levinsky
Norfolk
Greb
Gibbons
Miske
Loughran
Delaney
Stribling
Walker.......

Oh sheeet, that's eleven.
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Pre-'30: My favorite.

1. Harry Greb
2. Sam Langford
3. Benny Leonard
4. Bob Fitzsimmons
5. Mickey Walker
6. Joe Gans
7. Packey McFarland
8. Barbados Joe Walcott
9. Terry McGovern
10. George Dixon

11-20: Gene Tunney, Jimmmy Wilde, Stanley Ketchel, Tommy Loughran, Kid McCoy, Abe Attell, Nonpareil Jack Dempsey, Ted Kid Lewis, Tommy Ryan, Jack Britton
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Guys in red, top ten?

Burns

Oh sheeet, .
"Oh sheet" is right. Now Matt....()please tell me you're not talking TOMMY Burns here. A good fighter, but in no way deserving to be anywhere near this list. And if you do in fact mean Tommy B....tell me that this is an early April Fool's joke...
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OK another thread, McGrain's top 100 sparked off this idea, rate the top, I don't know, say 25, men under 175 pounds pre 1930.
Off the top of my head, and feel free to add to the mix;
Choynski,
Root,
Childs
McCoy
O'Brien
Burns
Fitz
Gardner
Langford
Ryan
Walcott
Clarke
Dillon
Ketchell
Carpentier
Levinsky
Norfolk
Greb
Gibbons
Miske
Loughran
Delaney
Stribling
Walker.......
I'm sure I missed some.
Ground rules, body of work at all weights count, we're talking career accomplishments here, body of work, peak ability with a bit of head to head to seperate close calls.
Personally, i think we might need tiers and a top 100!
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Old 03-01-2013, 04:26 AM   #7
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Pre-'30: My favorite.

1. Harry Greb
2. Sam Langford
3. Benny Leonard
4. Bob Fitzsimmons
5. Mickey Walker
6. Joe Gans
7. Packey McFarland
8. Barbados Joe Walcott
9. Terry McGovern
10. George Dixon

11-20: Gene Tunney, Jimmmy Wilde, Stanley Ketchel, Tommy Loughran, Kid McCoy, Abe Attell, Nonpareil Jack Dempsey, Ted Kid Lewis, Tommy Ryan, Jack Britton
First of all I like that list!
Second and to clarify I meant this to be The best 175 pounders and not a P4P list-
Sorry for any confusion.
Surf-bat, still upset about Little Tammy?
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I forgot Tunney.

Choynski,
Root,
Childs
McCoy
O'Brien
Burns
Fitz
Gardner
Langford
Ryan
Walcott
Clarke
Dillon
Ketchell
Carpentier
Levinsky
Norfolk
Greb
Gibbons
Miske
Loughran
Delaney
Stribling
Walker.......
I'm sure I missed some.
Ground rules, body of work at all weights count, we're talking career accomplishments here, body of work, peak ability with a bit of head to head to seperate close calls. Oh and it's not P4P!
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Old 03-01-2013, 07:21 AM   #9
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OK then;
1-Langford
2-Tunney
3-Fitz
4-Greb
5-Loughran
6-Clarke
A starting point.
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OK then;
1-Langford
2-Tunney
3-Fitz
4-Greb
5-Loughran
6-Clarke
A starting point.
I like the top 4. Would list Burns after Greb
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There was a guy named Tunney who was fair to middlin'.
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There was a guy named Tunney who was fair to middlin'.
1-Langford
2-Tunney
3-Fitz
4-Greb
5-Loughran
6-Clarke

Hi Seamus!
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I like the top 4. Would list Burns after Greb
Care to try a top 20?
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OK then;
1-Langford
2-Tunney
3-Fitz
4-Greb
5-Loughran
6-Clarke
A starting point.
I have to say, I really have never seen the fuss over Clarke that so many people seem to make. I would like to know your reasoning for putting him so high. He is definitely nowhere near the other guys you mention. I think i could think of 20 people i would rank higher, at least. But i am open for someone to convince me otherwise.
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Battling Bozo was an underrated performer.

I think he makes the top 30.
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