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Old 05-10-2013, 03:25 PM   #1
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Default We give the 1990s heavyweight greats so much respect...but

but so many meaningful fights did not happen...so do we truly know how good these guys were?

Lewis-Bowe Never Happened

Bowe-Tyson Never Happened

Lewis-Tyson Happened 6 years too late

Lewis-Holyfield Happened 6 years too late

Holyfield-Tyson Happened 5 years too late

Bowe-Hoylfield The only meaningful fight that took place at the right time
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Old 05-10-2013, 03:39 PM   #2
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I think Bowe benefits the most from this arrangement. Still, it might have been the overall richest period for the heavyweights. Definitely better than the 2000's and better than during Holmes reign as well. It's this or the seventies.
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Old 05-10-2013, 03:44 PM   #3
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bowe would have beat lewis around 1992,1993,and tyson post jail
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Old 05-10-2013, 03:46 PM   #4
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Bowe defends with his face.
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Old 05-10-2013, 04:05 PM   #5
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Default Re: We give the 1990s heavyweight greats so much respect...but

You can sort of do this with allot of eras though, ie 60s

Liston didn't face Terrell or Frazier

Frazier didn't face Patterson or Liston

Patterson didn't face Terrell or Frazier
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Old 05-10-2013, 05:43 PM   #6
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You can sort of do this with allot of eras though, ie 60s

Liston didn't face Terrell or Frazier

Frazier didn't face Patterson or Liston

Patterson didn't face Terrell or Frazier
liston vs terrel? horrible fight who cares.... frazier was in his prime when liston was past his prime and shot, frazier would have destroyed him so who cares?
patterson vs terrel is probably the most interesting , frazier would have killed patterson.

i would say ron lyle vs norton(eddie futch ran from lyle like from the pest)
ron lyle vs frazier in 74-75, i pick lyle in these years
shavers vs foreman, shavers vs frazier, shavers would get destroyed in both fights,
quarry vs a green foreman would have been interesting.
cleveland williams vs patterson...
jimmy young vs a green holmes, ron lyle vs holmes in 1975-76(lyle was a sparring partner of holmes and larry said that he was a hell of rival for him because stylistical motives)
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Old 05-10-2013, 05:54 PM   #7
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but so many meaningful fights did not happen...so do we truly know how good these guys were?

Lewis-Bowe Never Happened

Bowe-Tyson Never Happened

Lewis-Tyson Happened 6 years too late

Lewis-Holyfield Happened 6 years too late

Holyfield-Tyson Happened 5 years too late

Bowe-Hoylfield The only meaningful fight that took place at the right time
We know how good Lewis was by the sheer amount of good fighters he beat up.

He only had 2 great wins.. but the high amount of good wins he had made up for it.


Here are some stats that you might find interesting:

Lennox Lewis is 11-0 against fighters 6'4+
Lennox Lewis has fought more punchers than every single heavyweight in history bar Ali and even that's debatable.
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Old 05-10-2013, 05:59 PM   #8
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I think Bowe benefits the most from this arrangement. Still, it might have been the overall richest period for the heavyweights. Definitely better than the 2000's and better than during Holmes reign as well. It's this or the seventies.
Devil's advocate. How strong was the era when looking at the success an old Holmes and Foreman had?
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Old 05-10-2013, 06:08 PM   #9
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Devil's advocate. How strong was the era when looking at the success an old Holmes and Foreman had?
the motive was that the 90s was very good, but the 70s was the golden era
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Devil's advocate. How strong was the era when looking at the success an old Holmes and Foreman had?
They didn't fight the true champs and when they did.. they got ktfo or beaten to a pulp.

Let's not kid ourselves.
The 90's era had Lewis-Holyfield
than early 90's Tyson and Bowe.

That's it.

Behind that were a bunch of good fighters of higher quality than the tier 2 fighters today. That's it.

If you didn't beat Elite Tyson. Elite Bowe or Lewis-Holyfield. you weren't the champ of shit.

Foreman and Holmes lost to Holyfield and Tyson. If they had fought Lewis they would have lost to Lewis.

Technically Holyfield was 'champ' in this era because he got robbed against Valeuv.... but even if he was given the fair decision he wasn't the true champ. K2 is the true champ.

If Holyfield had fought Povektin in 2011 and UD him.. and gotten that title.. is he a 'champ of this era'?

No he's not.
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Old 05-10-2013, 06:22 PM   #11
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A lot of these fights were very close to happening, bad circumstances and Don King got in the way of a lot of them.
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Old 05-10-2013, 06:23 PM   #12
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Default Re: We give the 1990s heavyweight greats so much respect...but

This seem like a klittard nut hugging thread in disguise tbh.

I'm ashamed it's in the classics. take this garbage to the general.
I come to this section to read intelligent debate regarding past heavyweights. I don't come here to read a klittard thread in disguise.
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Old 05-10-2013, 06:31 PM   #13
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Devil's advocate. How strong was the era when looking at the success an old Holmes and Foreman had?
Holmes beat Mercer, and Foreman beat Moorer, both guys who were second league fighters in theirs era's. Both gave Holyfield a fair decent fight fair enough. Think their success is a bit overstated. Foreman's win in particular was very much a one in a million type victory.

I might be a bit biased though, because I really do believe the 90's was a stronger era than the late 60's/70's.
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Old 05-10-2013, 09:08 PM   #14
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but so many meaningful fights did not happen...so do we truly know how good these guys were?

Lewis-Bowe Never Happened

Bowe-Tyson Never Happened

Lewis-Tyson Happened 6 years too late

Lewis-Holyfield Happened 6 years too late

Holyfield-Tyson Happened 5 years too late

Bowe-Hoylfield The only meaningful fight that took place at the right time
Tyson went to prison. Bowe got fat, and quickly declined. However Holy fought them all, and including Morrer. Lewis fought most of them... and picked the best time for him.

Guys like Morrison, Mercer, Ruddock, and Foreman added depth.
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Old 05-11-2013, 07:17 AM   #15
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Lewis fought most of his comp when they were past his best.
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