Sell me on Sammy Angott

[Saintpat]

He just doesn't seem ATG/Hall of Fame material to me, on film or looking at his record.

Mostly (and there are a few exceptions), he lost to the top class of guys and built his record and reputation on a lot of wins over lesser lights.

Tough, lord yes. Great chin, no doubt. The string of losses toward the end, no big deal -- happens to the best of them -- but while he had a good long run where he beat a few really good fighters and lost to a lot of really great fighters, he also had some lean times earlier on where he lost to a lot of pedestrian opponents.

On the whole, I see him more of a gatekepper, the Greg Haugen of his day (flame away).

Show me what I'm misisng.

[the_bigunit]

I might be a bit bias towards Angott for I'm a fan of his. Although, I do agree, he doesn't look particularly great on film. But his resume is pretty great IMO. He was damn near the top of a good lightweight division for almost 6 years. And although Pep was a natural featherweight at the time -- Angott was the ONLY man to defeat Pep before his plane crash.

Resume highlights
- Willie Pep
- Freddie Miller
- Baby Arizmendi
- Lew Jenkins
- Ike Williams
- Johnny Bratton
- Petey Sarron
- Bob Montgomery (3x)
- Drew with Beau Jack
- Wesley Ramey (2x)
- Davey Day (2x)
- Took a 143lb Fritzie Zivic the distance
- Allie Stolz
- Didn't get completely blown out against Henry Armstrong
- Slugger White
- Bobby Ruffin
- Juan Zurita
- Jackie Wilson
- Leo Rodak
- Everett Rightmire
- Milt Aron
- Aldo Spoldi
- Kid Azteca
- Dave Castilloux

Contributors: Surf-Bat

[Surf-Bat]

Originally Posted by the_bigunit

I might be a bit bias towards Angott for I'm a fan of his. Although, I do agree, he doesn't look particularly great on film. But his resume is pretty great IMO. He was damn near the top of a good lightweight division for almost 6 years. And although Pep was a natural featherweight at the time -- Angott was the ONLY man to defeat Pep before his plane crash.

Resume highlights
- Willie Pep
- Freddie Miller
- Baby Arizmendi
- Lew Jenkins
- Ike Williams
- Johnny Bratton
- Petey Sarron
- Bob Montgomery (3x)
- Drew with Beau Jack
- Wesley Ramey (2x)
- Davey Day (2x)
- Took a 143lb Fritzie Zivic the distance
- Allie Stolz
- Didn't get completely blown out against Henry Armstrong
- Slugger White
- Bobby Ruffin
- Juan Zurita

Add Jackie Wilson, Leo Rodak, Everett Rightmire, Milt Aron and Aldo Spoldi to that resume. All excellent fighters.

Sammy is definitely an easy sell.

[the_bigunit]

Originally Posted by Surf-Bat

Add Jackie Wilson, Leo Rodak, Everett Rightmire and Aldo Spoldi to that resume. All excellent fighters.

Don't know how I missed Jackie Wilson. The others were I just wasn't familiar with.

[Surf-Bat]

Check out the rankings for 1940. Angott beat EIGHT of the ten guys listed:

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[the_bigunit]

Don't know how I forgot Kid Azteca!

[Surf-Bat]

Originally Posted by the_bigunit

Don't know how I missed Jackie Wilson. The others were I just wasn't familiar with.

You were just in a rush

[the_bigunit]

Dave Castilloux!

[Saintpat]

Help me out here -- how many fighters listed so far (among the fighters Angott defeated) were world champions or fought for the world title at some point in their careers?

[red cobra]

His accomplishment of beating Pep tells me he was special, in a negative, Jimmy Youngish sort of way. I think that in the balance he was more significant than Haugen though.

[lufcrazy]

Angott doesn't need any selling. He's a clear atg in the division. It's just further testament to how deep the divisions history is.

[Surf-Bat]

Originally Posted by Saintpat

Help me out here -- how many fighters listed so far (among the fighters Angott defeated) were world champions or fought for the world title at some point in their careers?

Champions and titlists:

- Willie Pep
- Freddie Miller
- Lew Jenkins
- Ike Williams
- Johnny Bratton
- Petey Sarron
- Bob Montgomery (3x)
- Slugger White
- Jackie Wilson
- Leo Rodak

As far as which guys he beat who at one time or another fought for the world title, hey, we're not gonna do ALL of your homework for you. Lookitup!

[scribbs]

A couple of articles about Angott for anyone who's not read them

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[URL="********voices.yahoo.com/sammy-angott-battling-lightweight-champion-7411520.html"]********voices.yahoo.com/sammy-angott-battling-lightweight-champion-7411520.html[/URL]

A Obituary

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Angott also in a number of HOF's including IBHOF, Philly, NIAISHF & Pittsburgh's Dapper Dan HOF.

The Nickname Clutch certainly gives an indication of the type of fighter he was but as list above shows, the opponents he fought & beat certainly portray a fighter who is worthy of being recognised by boxing history.

[Titan1]

First man to beat Willie Pep.That, in itself, stands out for me.

[Boxed Ears]

Originally Posted by the_bigunit

I might be a bit bias towards Angott for I'm a fan of his. Although, I do agree, he doesn't look particularly great on film. But his resume is pretty great IMO. He was damn near the top of a good lightweight division for almost 6 years. And although Pep was a natural featherweight at the time -- Angott was the ONLY man to defeat Pep before his plane crash.

Resume highlights
- Willie Pep
- Freddie Miller
- Baby Arizmendi
- Lew Jenkins
- Ike Williams
- Johnny Bratton
- Petey Sarron
- Bob Montgomery (3x)
- Drew with Beau Jack
- Wesley Ramey (2x)
- Davey Day (2x)
- Took a 143lb Fritzie Zivic the distance
- Allie Stolz
- Didn't get completely blown out against Henry Armstrong
- Slugger White
- Bobby Ruffin
- Juan Zurita
- Jackie Wilson
- Leo Rodak
- Everett Rightmire
- Milt Aron
- Aldo Spoldi
- Kid Azteca
- Dave Castilloux

Contributors: Surf-Bat

I don't know any of these people.