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Old 02-02-2013, 02:54 PM   #16
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Martinez doesn't use angles, he is either out of your range or in it. he doesn't jab consistently enough and it is too lax workrate-wise to touch Trout. He is pretty much a one handed fighter and Trout would embarass him with his complete lack of boxing skill.
just like when you said martinez was the weakest lineal champion in history , and secondly "complete lack of boxing skills"

dude you make me snicker
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Old 02-02-2013, 02:55 PM   #17
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I don't understand how people really think Martinez could land cleanly on Trout. His defense is too good and movement and control of range superior.
martinez's arms are longer , range is in his favor
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Old 02-02-2013, 02:58 PM   #18
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just like when you said martinez was the weakest lineal champion in history , and secondly "complete lack of boxing skills"

dude you make me snicker
He is the weakest lineal 160 champ i can remember in the history of the division. Absolute garbage resume at 160.

He has no boxing skill at all, which is why Barker and Macklin by implementing simple jabs had him completely flustered.

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martinez's arms are longer , range is in his favor

His arms are longer, but he doesn't use distance in his fights. He either in his punching range or he is out, he very rarely uses a jab to keep people at distance and he doesn't use his legs to control distance well at all.

Sorry that I hurt your feelings about Sergio though.
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Old 02-02-2013, 02:59 PM   #19
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Martinez doesn't use angles, he is either out of your range or in it. he doesn't jab consistently enough and it is too lax workrate-wise to touch Trout. He is pretty much a one handed fighter and Trout would embarass him with his complete lack of boxing skill.
Are you sure you're watching boxing? Martinez doesn't use angles?

You are a biased hater.
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Old 02-02-2013, 03:01 PM   #20
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Are you sure you're watching boxing? Martinez doesn't use angles?

You are a biased hater.
Martinez is a 154/160 ambush fighter, a bigger Andre Berto with a better chin, marginally better, we saw how two right hands from chavez had that mother****er ready to call it a night.
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Old 02-02-2013, 03:05 PM   #21
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He is the weakest lineal 160 champ i can remember in the history of the division. Absolute garbage resume at 160.

He has no boxing skill at all, which is why Barker and Macklin by implementing simple jabs had him completely flustered.




His arms are longer, but he doesn't use distance in his fights. He either in his punching range or he is out, he very rarely uses a jab to keep people at distance and he doesn't use his legs to control distance well at all.

Sorry that I hurt your feelings about Sergio though.
You do realize that BHOp has been utilizing his jab less and less as he's gotten older.

I guess he's garbage too.

Martinez uses feints, angles and subtle movement, to set up his left hand, just like Hopkins does to set up his right.

Martinez is a level above regular fighters. He is an elite fighter. Obviously, he's not as tactical as B Hop, but nobody in the game is today.

He's still a smart fighter that sets his man up and is versatile to patiently attack against guys like Barker who keeps his distance and deliver intelligent pressure from the center fo the ring, and that Irish guy that was reluctant to do anything.

Shit, he even attacked Chavez well initially, and Chavez wasn't even in the fight until Martinez' underestimated his chin and will power and began to neglect his body attack to a certain extent.

Trout is smaller with a shorter reach. He would probably fight Martinez like the Irish guy "scared," and Martinez would deliver slow and intelligent pressure and clown him and talk shit as well because one guy will be tryin to make a fight and another guy will be tryin to run and get lucky.

For the record, Chavez stops Trout.

And there is no way in hell Martinez goes down to 154 for anybody but Mayweather or Canelo.
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Old 02-02-2013, 03:07 PM   #22
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Martinez is a 154/160 ambush fighter, a bigger Andre Berto with a better chin, marginally better, we saw how two right hands from chavez had that mother****er ready to call it a night.
Berto doesn't have any damn foot movement. He's nothing like Berto.

If anything, Pacquaio would be a better comparison. In fact, that's a pretty valid comparison considering most of the guys that fight them fight scared.

It's up to Martinez to make the fight. Nobody wants to end up like Paul Williams.

Chavez is underrated too. The guy put up a good performance.
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Old 02-02-2013, 03:55 PM   #23
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I'd favor Martinez by decision. He isolated Dzinziruk's right jab really well, and mentioned that after studying him he knew he wouldn't throw anything unless it landed first. Trout is much more likely to throw lead lefts and right uppercuts without landing the jab first, but I feel he still depends on it to keep his opponents at the range he wants, and if Sergio neutralizes that most of the time, then Sergio can set up his own jab and jump in with his left hand, which is probably the stronger of the two. Trout is awkward and stylistically challenging enough to give most fighters problems, but I still think Martinez would figure him out and use his tricks to land the harder punches and rack up the points.
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Wouldn't be surprised if Trout won though. Martinez isn't getting any younger and his stamina might suffer. It takes a lot of energy to go in and out.
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Old 02-02-2013, 04:25 PM   #24
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Martinez on points depending on what Trout is made of.

Trout it seems has become certain ESB poster mr unbeatable.
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Old 02-02-2013, 04:34 PM   #25
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Wouldn't be surprised if Trout won though. Martinez isn't getting any younger and his stamina might suffer. It takes a lot of energy to go in and out.
I agree, that Martinez probably doesn't have much time left, but we can only speculate.

Age is the only reason he would lose though.
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Martinez is a 154/160 ambush fighter, a bigger Andre Berto with a better chin, marginally better, we saw how two right hands from chavez had that mother****er ready to call it a night.
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Old 02-02-2013, 06:05 PM   #27
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Martinez stops him
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Stiff jab is all it takes to handle Martinez.
I suppose dzinzuriks "jab" wasn't stiff enough.
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Old 02-02-2013, 06:35 PM   #29
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Martinez is a 154/160 ambush fighter, a bigger Andre Berto with a better chin, marginally better, we saw how two right hands from chavez had that mother****er ready to call it a night.
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Old 02-02-2013, 07:56 PM   #30
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I suppose dzinzuriks "jab" wasn't stiff enough.
If these are the great names you want to bring up on his resume feel free to do so.
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