Rate Smokin Joe's Defence - Page 2

xRedx · 02-03-2013, 05:17 PM

I'd say about 7-8. He was an in-fighter and in-fighters need to take some damage to deal some damage. They rely on their conditioning to win fights. That being said, his bobbing and weaving were amazing. I'd say the only swarmer with better defense is Mike Tyson. I think the peek-a-boo is better than the cross arm defense.

HOUDINI · 02-03-2013, 08:50 PM

If you watch him in his first bout with Ali he made the greatest miss many punches. Thats the good news.....on the other side of the coin Frazier could not change up, alter his style and tempo to make him a more elusive target. He could make you miss but he could be easily timed. Id give him a 6.

ETM · 02-04-2013, 01:02 AM

Id give him an 8.

For his style of fighting. A swarming aggressive fighter his D was pretty damn good.

He tucked his chin very well and he was able to slip and roll with shots better than given credit for. Heavyweights like Ellis, Quarry and Ali had blazing handspeed and Joe was right in their faces and yes they hit him but they also missed a boatload of punches.

It is also true that his offense helped his defense in a way. As Eddie Futch stated Frazier made his opponents rush their punches and they had to fight Joe off of them more than they were fighting him.

He didnt give them the time and room many boxers need.

02-03-2013, 05:17 PM	#16
xRedx Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,849 vCash: 955	Re: Rate Smokin Joe's Defence I'd say about 7-8. He was an in-fighter and in-fighters need to take some damage to deal some damage. They rely on their conditioning to win fights. That being said, his bobbing and weaving were amazing. I'd say the only swarmer with better defense is Mike Tyson. I think the peek-a-boo is better than the cross arm defense.
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02-03-2013, 08:50 PM	#17
HOUDINI Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 672 vCash: 500	Re: Rate Smokin Joe's Defence If you watch him in his first bout with Ali he made the greatest miss many punches. Thats the good news.....on the other side of the coin Frazier could not change up, alter his style and tempo to make him a more elusive target. He could make you miss but he could be easily timed. Id give him a 6.
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02-04-2013, 01:02 AM	#18
ETM Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 1,040 vCash: 500	Re: Rate Smokin Joe's Defence Id give him an 8. For his style of fighting. A swarming aggressive fighter his D was pretty damn good. He tucked his chin very well and he was able to slip and roll with shots better than given credit for. Heavyweights like Ellis, Quarry and Ali had blazing handspeed and Joe was right in their faces and yes they hit him but they also missed a boatload of punches. It is also true that his offense helped his defense in a way. As Eddie Futch stated Frazier made his opponents rush their punches and they had to fight Joe off of them more than they were fighting him. He didnt give them the time and room many boxers need.
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