Joe Frazier H2H - Page 2

BoxingFanPhil · 02-05-2013, 02:48 PM

So hard to place Frasier because of the defeat to big George Foreman. This is what I really enjoy with Jo - you just don't know where to put him. I genuinely think that he would take out Mike Tyson with a KO later on. I think that Larry Holmes and Lennox Lewis would have been more difficult for Frasier, but they'd probably find out about themselves too.

No question, Jo is not a p4p great, not the best heavy that ever took the title, but he was bloody good, and for me he's always going to be in my top ten.

gentleman jim · 02-05-2013, 03:45 PM

Prime Frazier would be a tough night for just about anyone. You either had to outbox him and stay away or hit hard enough to back him up and stop him. There didn't seem too be much middle ground in regards to fighting him. Like some earlier posts I would favor some hw's against him but it wouldn't be a cinch in my opinion. Makes me think of why Apollo Creeds trainer told Apollo not to fight Rocky a second time..."I saw you beat that man like I never saw a man get beat, and the man kept coming after you!" That sums up a fight with a prime Frazier. Like my Father used to say when I would threaten to kick his ass (albeit jokingly), "Bring your lunch cuz it's gonna take you all day".

junior-soprano · 02-05-2013, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Vic-JofreBRASIL

Frazier is someone that I think could beat Lewis......

i agree vic. but as fond as i am on frazier there are quit a few man i see beating frazier.
i will list those wich i think.
foreman, liston, dempsey, louis, holmes, tyson, max baer, riddick bowe

janitor · 02-05-2013, 03:53 PM

I think that he would do better against the pure boxers than pretty much anybody else.

I also think that people are a bit too quick to dismiss him against the punchers, based on the Foreman fight.

In all, I think he is getting under rated head to head at the moment.

turbotime · 02-05-2013, 04:17 PM

Against the top 10 best h2h -

He'd lose to Foreman, Ali, Lewis, Tyson, Louis, Holmes IMO

Think he and Holy are pretty even.

Think he beats Dempsey, Norton, Tunney, Johnson

PhillyPhan69 · 02-05-2013, 05:29 PM

71 Frazier does pretty good....But 1969 Frazier just might be the best h2h HW that ever lived. I would favor Foreman/Liston the beat him and call Marciano, Louis, Holyfield even pick em's...Other than that I feel comfortable w/ Joe's chance against anyone else.

Joe is underrated so quite a few (especially delusional Tyson huggers) will not favor him over very many.

PhillyPhan69 · 02-05-2013, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by PowerPuncher

I think most top15 HWs beat him to be honest, I think the single Ali win overrates him generally. HE could beat smaller HWs or slow HWs but the bigger punchers and better technicians who can keep him off will beat him

Ridiculous post!

BoxingFanPhil · 02-05-2013, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by PhillyPhan69

Joe is underrated so quite a few (especially delusional Tyson huggers) will not favor him over very many.

Made me chuckle - genuinely agree.

ETM · 02-06-2013, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by turpinr

joe doesnt beat foreman and liston ever, lennox lewis too would ko him.
joe would beat every heavyweight king up to liston except joe louis.
tyson and holmes would beat him too

I agree except I think Frazier would beat Holmes at their respective peaks. Joe would have a pretty decent shot against Joe Louis as well.

ETM · 02-06-2013, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by janitor

I also think that people are a bit too quick to dismiss him against the punchers, based on the Foreman fight.

Good point.

Foreman wasnt just your typical good puncher. He had uncommon power and strength.

Shake · 02-06-2013, 03:26 AM

I disagree that better technicians would beat Joe. I think Holmes, who is a fearsome head-to-head heavyweight, would be beat prime for prime. He is a specialist pur-sang -- going forward and giving pressure is his sole game against ATG elite competition. This is both a strength and a weakness.

Against punchers, it would always come down to a shootout, but even there, he has amazing determination, getting to the last round in the FOTC past-prime and getting up six times against Foreman. You aren't sparking the man with a single shot -- he is going to fight his own body for the opportunity to stay in there and give you hell.

Men like Gene Tunney, Holmes, Holyfield, Jack Johnson would be the biggest underdogs imo. Agains the bigger punchers, he'd win some and lose some. Who wouldn't.

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BoxingFanPhil Journeyman ESB Jr Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 165 vCash: 500	Re: Joe Frazier H2H So hard to place Frasier because of the defeat to big George Foreman. This is what I really enjoy with Jo - you just don't know where to put him. I genuinely think that he would take out Mike Tyson with a KO later on. I think that Larry Holmes and Lennox Lewis would have been more difficult for Frasier, but they'd probably find out about themselves too. No question, Jo is not a p4p great, not the best heavy that ever took the title, but he was bloody good, and for me he's always going to be in my top ten.
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gentleman jim gentleman jim ESB Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 501 vCash: 500	Re: Joe Frazier H2H Prime Frazier would be a tough night for just about anyone. You either had to outbox him and stay away or hit hard enough to back him up and stop him. There didn't seem too be much middle ground in regards to fighting him. Like some earlier posts I would favor some hw's against him but it wouldn't be a cinch in my opinion. Makes me think of why Apollo Creeds trainer told Apollo not to fight Rocky a second time..."I saw you beat that man like I never saw a man get beat, and the man kept coming after you!" That sums up a fight with a prime Frazier. Like my Father used to say when I would threaten to kick his ass (albeit jokingly), "Bring your lunch cuz it's gonna take you all day".
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janitor P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 19,153 vCash: 1000	Re: Joe Frazier H2H I think that he would do better against the pure boxers than pretty much anybody else. I also think that people are a bit too quick to dismiss him against the punchers, based on the Foreman fight. In all, I think he is getting under rated head to head at the moment.
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turbotime Future Hall Of Famer East Side VIP Join Date: May 2012 Location: LA/Canada Posts: 17,562 vCash: 816	Re: Joe Frazier H2H Against the top 10 best h2h - He'd lose to Foreman, Ali, Lewis, Tyson, Louis, Holmes IMO Think he and Holy are pretty even. Think he beats Dempsey, Norton, Tunney, Johnson
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PhillyPhan69 Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Salisbury, MD Posts: 3,651 vCash: 1000	Re: Joe Frazier H2H 71 Frazier does pretty good....But 1969 Frazier just might be the best h2h HW that ever lived. I would favor Foreman/Liston the beat him and call Marciano, Louis, Holyfield even pick em's...Other than that I feel comfortable w/ Joe's chance against anyone else. Joe is underrated so quite a few (especially delusional Tyson huggers) will not favor him over very many.
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02-06-2013, 03:26 AM	#26
Shake Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,318 vCash: 75	Re: Joe Frazier H2H I disagree that better technicians would beat Joe. I think Holmes, who is a fearsome head-to-head heavyweight, would be beat prime for prime. He is a specialist pur-sang -- going forward and giving pressure is his sole game against ATG elite competition. This is both a strength and a weakness. Against punchers, it would always come down to a shootout, but even there, he has amazing determination, getting to the last round in the FOTC past-prime and getting up six times against Foreman. You aren't sparking the man with a single shot -- he is going to fight his own body for the opportunity to stay in there and give you hell. Men like Gene Tunney, Holmes, Holyfield, Jack Johnson would be the biggest underdogs imo. Agains the bigger punchers, he'd win some and lose some. Who wouldn't.
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