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Old 02-11-2016, 01:02 PM   #1
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Default Could 50-year old Hopkins survive Marciano?

This random thought popped into my head earlier. The smart money would say no.
Hopkins at 50 did survive-if barely-against heavy-punching Sergey Kovalev not too long ago. Kovalev come fight time probably weighed what Rocky did (around 185-190) and is taller and rangier than Rocky.
Now I'm not suggesting that Kovalev is the physical force Marciano was, but he could not stop Hopkins despite hitting him from pillar to post in the last round of their fight.

I have no doubt Marciano beats Hopkins, but I am curious to see if anyone picks the old man to be cagey and good and tough enough to last to the final bell?
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Old 02-11-2016, 01:22 PM   #2
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A peak Hopkins would beat Marciano.
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Old 02-11-2016, 01:23 PM   #3
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A peak Hopkins would beat Marciano.
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This random thought popped into my head earlier. The smart money would say no.
Hopkins at 50 did survive-if barely-against heavy-punching Sergey Kovalev not too long ago. Kovalev come fight time probably weighed what Rocky did (around 185-190) and is taller and rangier than Rocky.
Now I'm not suggesting that Kovalev is the physical force Marciano was, but he could not stop Hopkins despite hitting him from pillar to post in the last round of their fight.

I have no doubt Marciano beats Hopkins, but I am curious to see if anyone picks the old man to be cagey and good and tough enough to last to the final bell?
Yes I think he could linger and do what he could to avoid engaging Marciano in any meaningful way if " surviving" were the only goal. But he wouldn't get any work done and probably have the crowd booing the affair before long.
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Old 02-11-2016, 01:40 PM   #5
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No.
Who are the people Marciano fought, who were not well past their best.

A peak Hopkins would outwork and outbox him and win almost every round.

Don't want to get into an argument about how IMO overated Marciano is
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Old 02-11-2016, 02:12 PM   #6
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Who are the people Marciano fought, who were not well past their best.

A peak Hopkins would outwork and outbox him and win almost every round.

Don't want to get into an argument about how IMO overated Marciano is
Some rather obvious questions...

What exactly was a peak Hopkins? Him at 160, 175? At 28 years old? or 42?

Exactly who ever "outworked" Marciano?

Exactly how much better of a boxer was Hopkins (any version) than even an old Charles or Moore or Walcott (who happened to be heavyweight champ at the time)?
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Old 02-11-2016, 02:16 PM   #7
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No, Marciano would grind him down and stop him (probably via feigned injury). Hopkins wouldn't have survived against Kovalev if Kovalev fought with Marciano's single-minded aggression. Kovalev seemed content with scoring points while staying completely safe and avoiding Hopkins' bag of tricks.
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Old 02-12-2016, 12:46 AM   #8
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Who are the people Marciano fought, who were not well past their best.

A peak Hopkins would outwork and outbox him and win almost every round.

Don't want to get into an argument about how IMO overated Marciano is
A simple "no" or maybe even a "hell no" is the only necessary response to your post.
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Old 02-12-2016, 12:51 AM   #9
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Who are the people Marciano fought, who were not well past their best.

A peak Hopkins would outwork and outbox him and win almost every round.

Don't want to get into an argument about how IMO overated Marciano is
If you took Marciano s name out of this contribution and replaced it with Hopkins you would be correct.
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Old 02-12-2016, 12:52 AM   #10
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Some rather obvious questions...

What exactly was a peak Hopkins? Him at 160, 175? At 28 years old? or 42?

Exactly who ever "outworked" Marciano?

Exactly how much better of a boxer was Hopkins (any version) than even an old Charles or Moore or Walcott (who happened to be heavyweight champ at the time)?
Perfecto. Thanks Seamie!
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Old 02-12-2016, 12:55 AM   #11
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Hopkins has 0 KO's at 175. ZERO. And against nothing special comp at 175. He has NOTHING and I do mean NOTHING to make Marciano respect him. Or have I missed something?
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Old 02-12-2016, 01:04 AM   #12
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Hopkins has 0 KO's at 175. ZERO. And against nothing special comp at 175. He has NOTHING and I do mean NOTHING to make Marciano respect him. Or have I missed something?
No, you haven't missed a thing. This modern day revisionism bull **** has gotten WAY out of hand here....Marciano would have been relentless...battering anything he could hit of Hopkins...finally crushing him in 9 or 10.
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Old 02-12-2016, 01:35 AM   #13
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For all the times I pick against the Rock this isn't one of them, I think Rocky would grind down and stop Hop, no offense, Hop isn't in Rockys weight class anyways.
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No.
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Old 02-12-2016, 04:31 AM   #15
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Default Re: Could 50-year old Hopkins survive Marciano?

Marciano just didn't let up and Hopkins, even if you are his biggest fan, will admit that he didnt have a high work rate.
Ezzard Charles, arguably the greatest light ever, won the first 5 or 6 rounds, stunned Rocky a few times and looked set to take his title.......then he took a punch to the throat and gradually Marciano took control.
At the end the Cobra was holding on but the crowd applauding him like they'd seldom done when he'd won.
I don't see Hopkins setting the pace that Charles did and I couldn't see Hopkins getting past 10.
Marciano may not be one of the 10 best heavies ever but there's nobody at 188 or less living with him
Charles and Moore were both past their best but both were better than Hopkins
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