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Old 02-06-2013, 04:51 AM   #1
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Default Who "beat" Alexander more convincingly?

Kotelnik or Matthysse?
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Old 02-06-2013, 05:25 AM   #2
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Kotelnick
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Old 02-06-2013, 05:29 AM   #3
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Default Re: Who "beat" Alexander more convincingly?

Matthysse, because I scored it for him. Only by 1 point, but it was pretty clearly him by at least 1.

Regarding Kotelnik... (clears throat) Most will say I'm nuts, and I haven't watched it once since it happened, but I somehow came up with Devon 7-5. Hey, I can admit when I produce a score that I'm not happy about or admitting when I hear the consensus of everybody else.

Bradley beat him pretty easy, although Alexander was "in" every round and won a few.
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Old 02-06-2013, 05:57 AM   #4
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I'll say Matthysse because of the knockdown.
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Old 02-06-2013, 05:58 AM   #5
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Default Re: Who "beat" Alexander more convincingly?

Matthysse.
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Old 02-06-2013, 06:06 AM   #6
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Default Re: Who "beat" Alexander more convincingly?

I haven't seen the Kotelnik bout in a while. But I scored it for him. Whereas, on the cards, over 10 rounds, I had Alexander-Matthysse a draw, excluding the knockdown.

Both beat Alexander IMO, but Kotelnik didn't need a knockdown.
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Old 02-06-2013, 06:15 AM   #7
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I haven't seen the Kotelnik bout in a while. But I scored it for him. Whereas, on the cards, over 10 rounds, I had Alexander-Matthysse a draw, excluding the knockdown.

Both beat Alexander IMO, but Kotelnik didn't need a knockdown.
Neither did Matthysse from my scorecard
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Old 02-06-2013, 07:07 AM   #8
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neither did matthysse from my scorecard
are you crazy saying that in pulic?

Do you want to get crucified?
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Old 02-06-2013, 07:17 AM   #9
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are you crazy saying that in pulic?

Do you want to get crucified?
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Old 02-06-2013, 08:04 AM   #10
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Default Re: Who "beat" Alexander more convincingly?

Matthysse certainly did enough to win a decision,but the argument is there for Alexander winning five rounds(I gave him four) against Matthysse.Kotelnik was just flat out robbed against Alexander.He exposed Alexander's limitations to a far greater extent than Matthysse did.


The fact that Kotelnik just faded away into retirement and Matthysse is currently one of the hottest(yes ****) fighters in the sport will mean that the Matthysse fight will be spoken about more in future.
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Old 02-06-2013, 08:16 AM   #11
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Default Re: Who "beat" Alexander more convincingly?

Both equally. Kotelnik exposed his technical short comings and Matthysse just beat him up.
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Old 02-06-2013, 08:27 AM   #12
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i had LM winning 95-94, kotelnik fight, i didn't score it, both fights were close
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Old 02-06-2013, 08:30 AM   #13
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They were about even. I had it 96-93 LMM and 116-112 Kotelnik. Both fights were competetive but Devon clearly lost each of them.
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Old 02-06-2013, 09:24 AM   #14
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Both won convincingly but Kotelnik made it look very easy, i struggled to give Alexander 4 rounds there and he probably only won 3 at the most.

Lucas did win convincingly as well but was aided by the knockdown.

The Kotelnik fight to me is the poster boy of everything thats wrong with how people score fights.
Much like Pac vs JMM3 people get blinded by the fast thrown volume and just assume some of its landing while if you look closely (or with slowmo) its all parried, dodged and blocked.
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Old 02-06-2013, 09:38 AM   #15
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