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Old 02-06-2013, 02:01 PM   #16
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Haye would beat Cooney in my eyes.
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Old 02-06-2013, 02:04 PM   #17
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Rahman up until he lost to Maskaev was a force in the division.

Brewster up until the loss to iggy was arguably the best hw in the world with the k bros around never mind without them.

Byrd was slowing more and more, the longer the fight waits, the more I favour Lamont.
Rahman may have been a force, but he was the perfect opponent for a fighter like Cooney to look good against. During Wlad's reign he was becoming increasingly heavier and more sluggish, and he never had great punch resistance to begin with. Cooney would have bombed him out quite early I think, via something nasty from the left.

(Brewster never lost to Iggy, he lost to Lyakhovich and had a history of struggling with or losing to not especially great opponents. He was very hot and cold. Not really champion type material IMO.)

Of the three, although Byrd was probably the most diminished he had skills for days, and was still extremely good at dealing with taller larger heavier hitting opponents. I won't say Cooney emphatically loses to him, but I think it would be a very competitive fight.
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Rahman may have been a force, but he was the perfect opponent for a fighter like Cooney to look good against. During Wlad's reign he was becoming increasingly heavier and more sluggish, and he never had great punch resistance to begin with. Cooney would have bombed him out quite early I think, via something nasty from the left.

(Brewster never lost to Iggy, he lost to Lyakhovich and had a history of struggling with or losing to not especially great opponents. He was very hot and cold. Not really champion type material IMO.)

Of the three, although Byrd was probably the most diminished he had skills for days, and was still extremely good at dealing with taller larger heavier hitting opponents. I won't say Cooney emphatically loses to him, but I think it would be a very competitive fight.
During wlads reign I agree. I favour Cooney over maskaev and Peter who followed.

Lyak is who I meant. Brewster is a demon h2h imo. Great power great durability.
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Old 02-06-2013, 03:06 PM   #19
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Cooney might beat Byrd or might not. But I would expect Cooney to take a crushing defeat not too long after and slip into an alcoholic spiral/temporary retirement. After several years, Haye would then lure him back into the ring for a big money fight and utterly beat the shit out of him.
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Yet, Wlad did beat Peter and beat him again badly. And he crushed Brewster in a return. People forget quickly that Peter was the divison,'s savoir with truly elite power. I would seriously take Peter over Cooney that everyone so praises. And outside of a legit KD and some rabbit punches, Wlad won every other minute of their two fights. It is interesting to note, also, that he went down in the first fight but soaked more than a few brutal shots in the second, including undefended shots after the bell. I think there we see the progression of his rebuilt pysche.

Its all over soon for him. He's getting well up there. In my lifetime folks rated Holmes and Lewis poorly during their runs only for these reputations to be greatly inflated afterward. It will be interesting to see what is thought of him a decade from now.

I love Holmes one of my favourite heavies but I get what your saying time does sometimes help the way things are viewed .if wlad beats price or fury or another young heavyweight contender who then goes on to be a good dominant champion in their own right that will really push appreciation of wlad to a higher level
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Over the course of one fight you could pick a slew of guys to replace either brother in any given win they've had-because neither has had a great fighter on their win list, in my opinion. But that's over the course of one fight, one win. Would Cooney overcome to dominate a division in any era? I really doubt it. Would I favour him over Byrd in one fight, Haye in one fight, Brock in one fight, Ibragimov in one fight, Chagaev in one fight, Chambers in one fight, Peter in one fight, Thompson in one fight. You know, best for best, yeah, I guess I would, even if not by too much. Would I favour him to dominate and run through through the lot of them over several years while holding a title? No. No, I wouldn't. That's a special thing. Beating any one of those guys, not so much. All of them in a streak, under a microscope, trainers in opposing camps right along with the fighters, trying to work out a way to get it done on the same guy, on the big stage, yes. It's special and Cooney didn't have that specialness in him over the long haul, I don't think.
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Over the course of one fight you could pick a slew of guys to replace either brother in any given win they've had-because neither has had a great fighter on their win list, in my opinion. But that's over the course of one fight, one win. Would Cooney overcome to dominate a division in any era? I really doubt it. Would I favour him over Byrd in one fight, Haye in one fight, Brock in one fight, Ibragimov in one fight, Chagaev in one fight, Chambers in one fight, Peter in one fight, Thompson in one fight. You know, best for best, yeah, I guess I would, even if not by too much. Would I favour him to dominate and run through through the lot of them over several years while holding a title? No. No, I wouldn't. That's a special thing. Beating any one of those guys, not so much. All of them in a streak, under a microscope, trainers in opposing camps right along with the fighters, trying to work out a way to get it done on the same guy, on the big stage, yes. It's special and Cooney didn't have that specialness in him over the long haul, I don't think.


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Over the course of one fight you could pick a slew of guys to replace either brother in any given win they've had-because neither has had a great fighter on their win list, in my opinion. But that's over the course of one fight, one win. Would Cooney overcome to dominate a division in any era? I really doubt it. Would I favour him over Byrd in one fight, Haye in one fight, Brock in one fight, Ibragimov in one fight, Chagaev in one fight, Chambers in one fight, Peter in one fight, Thompson in one fight. You know, best for best, yeah, I guess I would, even if not by too much. Would I favour him to dominate and run through through the lot of them over several years while holding a title? No. No, I wouldn't. That's a special thing. Beating any one of those guys, not so much. All of them in a streak, under a microscope, trainers in opposing camps right along with the fighters, trying to work out a way to get it done on the same guy, on the big stage, yes. It's special and Cooney didn't have that specialness in him over the long haul, I don't think.
It's like you took all the subtlety and implications of my post and wrote them in an instruction manual.
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Cooneys problems outside the ring would have seen him beaten in any era.

The best he could have hoped for is a very short spell at the top.
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