Ward's a more complete fighter than Calzaghe ...

[dbouziane]

Originally Posted by Vysotsky

Well when you leave posts like this...



and miss the point of what you're responding to whether due to stupidity or just trying to deflect the argument i shouldn't have wasted my time.

no you're categorically discarding two knockdowns based on a broad assumption that you have nothing to support with other than a generalization which may or may not be true in this specific situation.

but we'll discard them if it makes you feel better. get bent noob.

[flashy k.o]

Originally Posted by Jo Ber

Ward worked with a chin trainer who made his chin iron from pure glass. Tne name of tnat chin wizard is Victor Conte.

How Calzaghe will use his hands speed and his workrate when Ward will tie his hands and hit him with inside short uppercutts & hooks ?!

[Arran]

Originally Posted by IntentionalButt

Ward got hurt by Kost and Boone within his first year in the pros. Since then we've seen him rumble with world class punchers and not bat an eyelash.

Both have excellent chins.

It isn't as though Joe's never been hurt or dropped whatsoever. Reid, Brewer, shot Eubank, shot Jones...

is that a new ESB saying?

[IntentionalButt]

Originally Posted by Arran

is that a new ESB saying?

What?

[bailey]

Everyone was supposed to be more complete than Calzaghe, but nobody managed to beat him.
Calzaghe is old, has damaged hands and is well past his best, so at worst would just clearly beat ward by UD.
Prime Calzaghe would get rid of Ward inside the distance without great fuss.

Ward was gassing against Froch and Bika, both were getting the better of Ward at the end of the fight respectively and slow Froch without the biggest workrate was getting to Ward at the end.

Tell me which top undefeated fighters or undefeated world champs has Ward fought?

[bailey]

Originally Posted by flashy k.o

How Calzaghe will use his hands speed and his workrate when Ward will tie his hands and hit him with inside short uppercutts & hooks ?!

How would Ward tie up Calzaghe when he would be taking flush shots on the chin and having to take short hooks and uppercuts when in close?

[bailey]

All Wards best wins date back somewhere to the name Calzaghe

[dbouziane]

Originally Posted by bailey

Everyone was supposed to be more complete than Calzaghe, but nobody managed to beat him.
Calzaghe is old, has damaged hands and is well past his best, so at worst would just clearly beat ward by UD.
Prime Calzaghe would get rid of Ward inside the distance without great fuss.

Ward was gassing against Froch and Bika, both were getting the better of Ward at the end of the fight respectively and slow Froch without the biggest workrate was getting to Ward at the end.

Tell me which top undefeated fighters or undefeated world champs has Ward fought?

you're itching to post that page long diatribe on calzaghe/ward aren't you?

[Big Left]

Originally Posted by IntentionalButt

Who has ever said otherwise?

Ward is clearly more versatile.

Calzaghe has more hand speed and throws a higher volume. In just about every other relevant category Ward either tops him or they are level.

nah not stamina, I think that is Ward's weakness and later in his career he will get stopped late by a fighter who has no right to beat him.

[bailey]

Originally Posted by dbouziane

you're itching to post that page long diatribe on calzaghe/ward aren't you?

Not yet. Though that wouldnt be a bad post for here as even now when you know it, nobody has a sensible counter

[dbouziane]

Originally Posted by Big Left

nah not stamina, I think that is Ward's weakness and later in his career he will get stopped late by a fighter who has no right to beat him.

he's had some injuries already at his age that could nag him. shoulder surgery is nothing to scoff at. we'll see about the stamina but he's had some not so minor injuries already.

[bailey]

So Ward is slower, has less stamina, doesnt punch as hard, doesnt have as good a chin, has a lower workrate, but you dummies think Ward can beat Calzaghe by holding him and trying to be sneaky who has seen it all, who was successful in 24 world title fights when hardly ever on the back foot in his career. Yeah got it

[bailey]

Originally Posted by dbouziane

he's had some injuries already at his age that could nag him. shoulder surgery is nothing to scoff at. we'll see about the stamina but he's had some not so minor injuries already.

Calzaghe turned pro injured and had many injuries, yet that didnt stop him winning.
Excuses already being made for Ward

[Vysotsky]

Originally Posted by PetethePrince

I remember Calzaghe-Bika being very close and scrappy. Comparable to Ward-Bika in scoring.

I had it scored a bit wider for Calzaghe but Bika was brought up due to the inside fighting remark. All the infighting for Ward was razor thin action but Calzaghe especially in the last few rounds (been a while since iv watched it) really started to get the better of it inside.

Originally Posted by FilipMNE

Ali is clear example of opposite!

Did Ward go from being a 190lb to 220lb HW?

Originally Posted by dbouziane

no you're categorically discarding two knockdowns based on a broad assumption that you have nothing to support with other than a generalization which may or may not be true in this specific situation.

but we'll discard them if it makes you feel better. get bent noob.

I wasn't catagorically discarding the knockdowns, i was noting the inconsistancy with INTBUTT's comment towards their relevancy. You've once again disregarded the context and as i previously mentioned aren't worth my time. Trying joining the discussion when you have the reading comprehension of a 8 year old.

[dbouziane]

Originally Posted by bailey

Calzaghe turned pro injured and had many injuries, yet that didnt stop him winning.
Excuses already being made for Ward

nah you're getting too fired up already. just calm down. the post i was responding too said ward's stamina was going to be his downfall later in his career. i was saying i see injuries being more of an issue than stamina.