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Old 02-06-2013, 06:50 PM   #61
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Clinching = Complete ?
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Old 02-06-2013, 07:02 PM   #62
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Calzaghe 37, Jones 38. Regardless its in relation to chin discussion genius. A fighters chin is more likely to lose resistance as they get older, having a poor chin at 25 and it magically getting better at 28 isn't commonplace on the other hand.
Joe was 36 and approaching 37. Roy was just a few months away from being 40. Roy had a lot more miles on the clock.

I agree with rest of your post.

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Old 02-06-2013, 07:06 PM   #63
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has a better chin to., didnt get dropped by a nobody.
Joe had a good chin and was never really hurt. But he did get dropped by Kabary Salem.

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Old 02-06-2013, 07:08 PM   #64
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calzahe whoops him. ward is hit way to often and way to slow for calazaghe. if ward was german this convo wouldnt even be happening but as his passport has USA on it.....I mean even Froch who is in no means quick and more a limited slugger type landed 30% of his punches on Ward (kessler landed 35%). Plus calzaghe didnt get dropped by a no-name bum and fight out of Newport his entire career.
He fought out of Britain for 95% of his career though.
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Old 02-06-2013, 07:29 PM   #65
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Styles make fights - and Calzaghes style would be lethal against Ward. Faster hands, more activity and more angels..............ofcause I dont know who would win, but against Calzaghe, Ward would be tested ...................

Style wise Martinez is up there too.............
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Old 02-06-2013, 07:44 PM   #66
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Ward-Bika was 7-5 imo not what the pitiful hometown scores had and a very close fight. Calzaghe beat Bika much more convincingly with much of the action being fought inside and Calzaghe looking brilliant doing it.

Ward and Hunter are very good at coming up with gameplans and Ward at implementing them, Joe could do it in the moment and improvise at any point during the fight to make necessary adjustments. Maybe his most unique and formitable quality.
Bika's abilities and skills has a great upside and have increased over the years...
back in the day, Sam Soliman beat out Bika too, you think he'd get that win again vs the present day version? In fact, they did have a rematch a few years ago, and Bika did a good job on The Contender. Also stopping Manfredo later on.

The Bika Ward had faced was a veteran, renewed Bika who is at the strong Contender level. I think he's still severely under-rated and has a chance of giving Kessler & Froch a serious run for their money. Not the younger Bika that Calzaghe and Bute beat up.
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Old 02-06-2013, 08:17 PM   #67
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Calzaghe 37, Jones 38. Regardless its in relation to chin discussion genius. A fighters chin is more likely to lose resistance as they get older, having a poor chin at 25 and it magically getting better at 28 isn't commonplace on the other hand.
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I can see this was covered by Loudon.
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Old 02-06-2013, 08:28 PM   #68
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It would have probably been worse for Calslappy if that shot had been with the gloves.
There is a reason why nobody in MMA uses their forearm for punches.
I have said this all along..

All I hear is "it was an illegal forearm punch" like it was some kind of intentional cheap shot by Roy... but Calzaghe was the one who actually moved his head into the forearm, had Roy hit him with his glove, more power would have been generated, would have hurt Calzaghe even more... I don't see Calzaghe standing either way.. Fact is, Calzaghe was caught in a bad position and got knocked down by Roy, and getting hit with the forearm instead of the fist, may have been a blessing in disguise. The real and clear blessing though, Is Jones was shot and gun shy, and didn't come at him with an aggressive Jones onslaught after he got up.
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Old 02-06-2013, 08:40 PM   #69
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It would be a good fight, definitely the toughest of both their careers. That said, Ward's defense is just flat too good and like the Hopkins fight, I think Joe would have a very hard time connecting cleanly, and unlike that fight, Ward will be coming back with a lot of clean punches on a consistent basis. Ward UD win, probably something like 116-112.
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Old 02-06-2013, 08:44 PM   #70
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Calzaghe 37, Jones 38. Regardless its in relation to chin discussion genius. A fighters chin is more likely to lose resistance as they get older, having a poor chin at 25 and it magically getting better at 28 isn't commonplace on the other hand.
VYSOTSKY FACT CHECK ALERT!


(Fact-checking Vysotsky -- it's a full time -- and ultimately thankless -- job.)

Roy Jones was born January 16th, 1969.

Joe Calzaghe was born March 23, 1972.

Normally, I would say: you do the math.

But, no, I'm going to be thorough.

According to Boxrec:

Roy and Joe fought on 11/08/2008:

Roy Jones was 39 years old and 6 months

Joe Calzaghe was 36 years and 4 months.

That's a difference of over 3 years.
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Old 02-07-2013, 12:34 AM   #71
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The truth is that Ward is becoming a better fighter than a prime Hopkins or a prime RJJ !
People that don't see this thing are very biased with their favorite fighters.

If Ward will fight with the winner of Kessler - Froch rematch, he has very good chances to win the fight by stoppage !

The only real challenges for Ward I see at LHW division. Pascal and Kovalev could give fists to Ward.
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Old 02-07-2013, 12:51 AM   #72
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The truth is that Ward is becoming a better fighter than a prime Hopkins or a prime RJJ !
I wouldn't go that far. but yes, ward outclasses calzaghy
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Old 02-07-2013, 01:17 AM   #73
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The truth is that Ward is becoming a better fighter than a prime Hopkins or a prime RJJ !
People that don't see this thing are very biased with their favorite fighters.

If Ward will fight with the winner of Kessler - Froch rematch, he has very good chances to win the fight by stoppage !

The only real challenges for Ward I see at LHW division. Pascal and Kovalev could give fists to Ward.
Nah man ward loses to cleverly but beats pascal and kovalev.
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Old 02-07-2013, 03:59 AM   #74
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The truth is that Ward is becoming a better fighter than a prime Hopkins or a prime RJJ !
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Old 02-07-2013, 04:39 AM   #75
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Calzaghe would have beaten Ward. It's time for Ward to fight Vitali or Vladimir Klitschko and back up his claims that he can beat all fighters in any weight division. HBO should show that Fight ASAP. My money would be on Klitschko by knockout, total mismatch...............
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