looks like Klitschko-Pianeta - Page 24

ludwig · 02-10-2013, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by LuckyLuke

This story fits him very well.
Solis has to get rid of Oner and go to Sauerland/SES or go abroad to america.

A while back it was reported that Solis would go to Main Events. That would be sweet--he should get away from King and co. Unfortunately Oner has probably invested alot more in Solis then they've gotten in revenue. It's sad--we could have seen Solis in with Cunningham or Jennings or Chambers by now.

dinovelvet · 02-10-2013, 05:52 PM

Wlad has fucked everything up with his insistence to take another voluntary.
The Povektin fight should be on the top of the agenda.
The way i see it , they are trying to derail the fight.
I dont buy this summer excuse because Boenty is quoted saying he didn't want it last year either.
Povektin will be the first guy Wlad will face in a very long time who will dig deep and press him hard.
He opted out of the Chisora fight for the same reason and AP is a lot better and faster than Chisora.
I dont think he wants the risk at this stage in his career.

ludwig · 02-10-2013, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CHEF

it wasnt him... he staying with me and wlad..... but it was guys just like him

when wlad heard the story, we had to calm him down. He wanted to go over and kick oners ass

look at the solis fight and post fight presser... After solis was done...before the announcement in the ring, look at Oner, he is literally chewing on a corner mans shoulder to keep from losing it

and then the post fight presser when Oner totally LOST IT

Sounds like Oener didn't place any bets on a Klitschko KO1.

Vysotsky · 02-10-2013, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CHEF

dates and opponents are still open...... it was RTL that said Pianeta in April..... no one on team klitschko has confirmed since nothing is confirmed or a done deal yet

and they can't have the Povetkin fight outdoors in April/May?.....

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Originally Posted by Vysotsky

If Klychko is going to fight a non worthwhile contender like Pianeta Ortiz or whoever, especially if the April date is getting pushed back, but Povetkin and Klychko want to fight knowing it will be a purse bid to resolve everything then why don't both camps just get the WBA to set the purse bid soon and get started rather than both guys take a meaningless stay busy fight? It just doesn make sense to me.

CHEF · 02-10-2013, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dinovelvet

Wlad has fucked everything up with his insistence to take another voluntary.
The Povektin fight should be on the top of the agenda.
The way i see it , they are trying to derail the fight.
I dont buy this summer excuse because Boenty is quoted saying he didn't want it last year either.
Povektin will be the first guy Wlad will face in a very long time who will dig deep and press him hard.
He opted out of the Chisora fight for the same reason and AP is a lot better and faster than Chisora.
I dont think he wants the risk at this stage in his career.

.. relax man relax
bottom line, if wlad doesnt fight he gets stripped... im sure you would love that

dinovelvet · 02-10-2013, 06:18 PM

For that reason i cant see how the fight cant happen. He should just get it over with and move on.

Boxed Ears · 02-10-2013, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by lufcrazy

Martinez beat the man who beat the man who beat the undisputed champion. Holmes never did that.

Therefore I feel this argument to be flawed.

Holmes was absolutely considered the linear and Ring champion when he fought Frazier, like Martinez, and was defending THE title regardless of a sanctioning body choosing not to sanction it. I don't see the flaw, really. It wasn't intended to match down to the smallest detail, only a matter of counting defence of he actual title whether or not one of the four major sanctioning bodies have signed off on it. And for the record, he was a more credible challenger than Pia-no-wait, in character. Never mind.

lufcrazy · 02-10-2013, 07:53 PM

Well had the ring title but did he ever have the traditional lineage?

Well that depends on definition.

If Ali was still champ in retirement then he was never champ because tunney would have took that title to the grave.

If Ali was champ and new lineage can be established them it depends on criteria.

Holmes never beat 1/2 whilst 1/2 so those insistent on that criteria wouldn't consider him champ.
He never unified all the belts so those who insist on that wouldn't consider him champ.
He was ranked number 1 though so I'd consider him the man (not at the point of Frazier fight, I had him losing to spoon ya see).

My main reason for calling the comparison flawed is there was never really a debate as to whether or not Martinez was champ, but debate about Holmes legitimacy raged throughout his career.

volkan · 02-10-2013, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Vysotsky

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CHEIF: Who is that guy below Wladimir's two fingers formed like and V?

He always pushed fans around and acts like a tough like. Isnt it really patchetic to look at?

Boxed Ears · 02-10-2013, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by lufcrazy

Well had the ring title but did he ever have the traditional lineage?

Well that depends on definition.

If Ali was still champ in retirement then he was never champ because tunney would have took that title to the grave.

If Ali was champ and new lineage can be established them it depends on criteria.

Holmes never beat 1/2 whilst 1/2 so those insistent on that criteria wouldn't consider him champ.
He never unified all the belts so those who insist on that wouldn't consider him champ.
He was ranked number 1 though so I'd consider him the man (not at the point of Frazier fight, I had him losing to spoon ya see).

My main reason for calling the comparison flawed is there was never really a debate as to whether or not Martinez was champ, but debate about Holmes legitimacy raged throughout his career.

I knew you were going to do this.

Stop. Let's not get into a nowhere-headed linearity argument with one person who regards linearity and one who doesn't, let alone drag in unofficial scoring to further complicate matters or your own personal premiere fighter regard. Let's focus on the main issue of whether or not it was a title fight. Now, if you regard the Ring title, and I have no idea why anyone would regard the ABC titles and not the Ring title, historically, as you would regard, say, Hopkins/Calzaghe or Hopkins/Tarver at light heavyweight, then you must regard Frazier/Holmes as a title fight as well. Simple and not bringing in any of these other debatable issues. That was a world title fight. Just not with the WBC. Just as Martinez's fight with Dzinziruk was.

CHEF · 02-10-2013, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by volkan

CHEIF: Who is that guy below Wladimir's two fingers formed like and V?

He always pushed fans around and acts like a tough like. Isnt it really patchetic to look at?

Head of security, incapably nice guy but takes his job very serious and is very good at it

BoxingDomain · 02-10-2013, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by CHEF

all true

Oner is crazy, he even threatened a lady that works for K2 who came to Solis' hotel room to make sure they were ready to leave for the public workout... (Vitali fight)

She told us AND the police... she came to the door to say the "cars are ready downstairs"... they werent ready, she said "OK, I will call KMG".... he freaked and went over to her and said .." you know, I fuck bitches just like you"... she said "get away from me" then he punched a hole in the wall next to her head...

the K2 security came running in and pushed Oner back...... Poor girl was shaking like crazy when she was telling us the story

SCUMBAG

That's crazy . . . what a lunatic, the guy is unstable.

derrick · 02-10-2013, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BoxingDom ain

That's crazy . . . what a lunatic, the guy is unstable.

Wlad is 100% fag. Fighting all these easy fights. His camp can take up for him all they want. Look at how many PPV's he in selling here in the USA. thats right none. Most here don't even know who he is. Wlads bullshit fights can't even make it on espn360. He fights easy fights and he does it because he can't take a punch and he has cheese skin that cuts with ease.

CHEF · 02-10-2013, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by derrick

Wlad is 100% fag. Fighting all these easy fights. His camp can take up for him all they want. Look at how many PPV's he in selling here in the USA. thats right none. Most here don't even know who he is. Wlads bullshit fights can't even make it on espn360. He fights easy fights and he does it because he can't take a punch and he has cheese skin that cuts with ease.

same shit...different post

derrick · 02-10-2013, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CHEF

same shit...different post

Go cook some food fatboy.

02-10-2013, 05:52 PM	#347
dinovelvet Up Top To The Head East Side Guru Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 5,769 vCash: 910	Re: looks like Klitschko-Pianeta Wlad has fucked everything up with his insistence to take another voluntary. The Povektin fight should be on the top of the agenda. The way i see it , they are trying to derail the fight. I dont buy this summer excuse because Boenty is quoted saying he didn't want it last year either. Povektin will be the first guy Wlad will face in a very long time who will dig deep and press him hard. He opted out of the Chisora fight for the same reason and AP is a lot better and faster than Chisora. I dont think he wants the risk at this stage in his career.
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02-10-2013, 06:18 PM	#351
dinovelvet Up Top To The Head East Side Guru Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 5,769 vCash: 910	Re: looks like Klitschko-Pianeta For that reason i cant see how the fight cant happen. He should just get it over with and move on.
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lufcrazy requiescat in pace East Side VIP Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: England, Up North Posts: 22,709 vCash: 330	Re: looks like Klitschko-Pianeta Well had the ring title but did he ever have the traditional lineage? Well that depends on definition. If Ali was still champ in retirement then he was never champ because tunney would have took that title to the grave. If Ali was champ and new lineage can be established them it depends on criteria. Holmes never beat 1/2 whilst 1/2 so those insistent on that criteria wouldn't consider him champ. He never unified all the belts so those who insist on that wouldn't consider him champ. He was ranked number 1 though so I'd consider him the man (not at the point of Frazier fight, I had him losing to spoon ya see). My main reason for calling the comparison flawed is there was never really a debate as to whether or not Martinez was champ, but debate about Holmes legitimacy raged throughout his career.
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