Sonny Bill Williams vs. Francois Botha

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Over/under when available.

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Initial look at this and I'm puzzled at this match even being made for Williams, let alone him being favored. Plus, Botha says he's training hard and has lost a lot of weight. Williams says he's had a 5 week camp with a lot of problems, including the loss of his trainer (Tony Mundine).

I'm not sure it'll be available to bet in the US, so I might not use much more time in on it, but am I missing some key piece of info here? I realize Botha is 44, but this is still a pro vs. an amateur.

Maybe Botha feels he can make more money by closing out with some losses to hype jobs? Grasping for an explanation.

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Originally Posted by ButtBread

Initial look at this and I'm puzzled at this match even being made for Williams, let alone him being favored. Plus, Botha says he's training hard and has lost a lot of weight. Williams says he's had a 5 week camp with a lot of problems, including the loss of his trainer (Tony Mundine).

I'm not sure it'll be available to bet in the US, so I might not use much more time in on it, but am I missing some key piece of info here? I realize Botha is 44, but this is still a pro vs. an amateur.

Maybe Botha feels he can make more money by closing out with some losses to hype jobs? Grasping for an explanation.

Yeah, it's strange to me too.

I'm eager to see what the Over/Under looks like.

A bet on the under might net more value than one on Botha outright, for instance - and likewise one on the over more than one on Williams. (since I think most agree we're looking at Williams by decision or Botha by KO)

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[jazza]

Sonny Bill Williams vs kimbo is what i want to see lol

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Jazza, why not a tag team match? Kimbo and Sonny Bill vs. Buffalo Botha and "The Chemist," Jose Canseco.

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Yeah, it's strange to me too.

I'm eager to see what the Over/Under looks like.

A bet on the under might net more value than one on Botha outright, for instance - and likewise one on the over more than one on Williams. (since I think most agree we're looking at Williams by decision or Botha by KO)

That's a sound observation. Hope O/U comes up in the US. I can kind of see Botha getting a decision if the judges are fair, provided that Williams is pretty much unable to hit him. I actually think this is possible because Sonny Bill telegraphs more than Western Union and Botha has good timing and a modicum of movement. Maybe I just like the idea of this Rugby player making Botha look like Spadafora. What could be a more embarrassing way to lose?

But I think a K.O. is more likely, given that Williams has yet to be tested at all in this department.

If Williams wins by KO, I'll be just as floored as Botha.

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Originally Posted by ButtBread

Jazza, why not a tag team match? Kimbo and Sonny Bill vs. Buffalo Botha and "The Chemist," Jose Canseco.



That's a sound observation. Hope O/U comes up in the US. I can kind of see Botha getting a decision if the judges are fair, provided that Williams is pretty much unable to hit him. I actually think this is possible because Sonny Bill telegraphs more than Western Union and Botha has good timing and a modicum of movement. Maybe I just like the idea of this Rugby player making Botha look like Spadafora. What could be a more embarrassing way to lose?

But I think a K.O. is more likely, given that Williams has yet to be tested at all in this department.

If Williams wins by KO, I'll be just as floored as Botha.

Yeah, I've seen no evidence that despite his size & strength Williams hits any harder than say Francesco Pianeta. Botha was even at this late stage just a few months ago gobbling up flush straight rights from Pianeta, full-blast, and not blinking. You need serious world class power to bother Botha with a single blow. (ie Tyson, Lewis, Klitschko) For the most part his stoppages have come via accumulation, and still from guys who crack heavier than Williams. He went the distance in draws with bangers Etienne and Briggs, and within minutes of making it against Moorer, Grant and Takam.

His lack of power aside, I don't think Williams has the punching technique required to find the sweet spot. As open as Botha is to being hit, a lot of what SBW throws - especially scrambling on the back foot as the South African pressures him - is going to be wide and glancing. Botha won't even notice until afterwards looking in the mirror.

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~40 hours away, still no O/U.

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[jazza]

i still dont know how its a ppv here in aussie is the under cards any good

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How did Botha look at the weigh in?

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Originally Posted by MrFoFody

How did Botha look at the weigh in?

"It's the lowest (weight) the Buffalo has been in years. If the Buffalo is 113 (kg), the Buffalo is in great shape."

Perhaps assuming his goal weight was unattainable Botha playfully patted his paunch before tipping the scales at 115.25kg.

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