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Old 02-08-2013, 02:50 PM   #46
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I just cringe every time I look at the most recent post listed on the main forum menu and it says "Please Castrate."

What's wrong with "critique?"
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Old 02-08-2013, 02:59 PM   #47
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I just cringe every time I look at the most recent post listed on the main forum menu and it says "Please Castrate."

What's wrong with "critique?"

I just wanted to paint the image of y'all absolutely tearing my list apart. (Which your cringing definitely demonstrates.) It's vivid -- but that's just how serious I wanted y'alls help and how open I would be to any feedback. And in this case, in a fashion that allegorizes to ripping my nuts off.

I'll change it... soon.
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Old 02-08-2013, 04:30 PM   #48
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It's a good list, big U. Fitzimmons for some reason or another underwhelms me though compared to the other top ATGs
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Old 02-08-2013, 05:42 PM   #49
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How old are BU? Out of curiosity.

19.


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Old 02-08-2013, 05:55 PM   #50
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It's a good list, big U. Fitzimmons for some reason or another underwhelms me though compared to the other top ATGs
Thank you, sir. And I will be updating it soon. (Mainly Louis out and Charles in.)

As for Fitzsimmons: A natural middleweight, never weighing more than a LHW, wins titles across 3 divisions -- consistently picking up great scalps along the way? Whew!

For me at least, when his accomplishments are truly analyzed (which is not to imply you haven't) -- I almost feel bad leaving him out of the top-5.

But the true top 20 guys, for the most part, are all seemingly interchangeable.
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Old 02-08-2013, 05:58 PM   #51
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How about Walker...what are the arguments for placing him top 10? I have always placed him in the 15 neighborhood. I am not disagreeing, just asking for a comparrison of why you would/wouldn't place him top 10?
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Old 02-08-2013, 06:02 PM   #52
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Thank you, sir. And I will be updating it soon. (Mainly Louis out and Charles in.)

As for Fitzsimmons: A natural middleweight, never weighing more than a LHW, wins titles across 3 divisions -- consistently picking up great scalps along the way? Whew!

For me at least, when his accomplishments are truly analyzed (which is not to imply you haven't) -- I almost feel bad leaving him out of the top-5.

But the true top 20 guys, for the most part, are all seemingly interchangeable.
Oh I've read all I could about him. he had some great accomplishments, namely being the real first triple crown champ being quite undersized. The sore spot for me is he also took some bad beatings when facing elite guys, while never returning the favour.

Compare him to hall of famers who beat other hall of famers like Greb, Armstrong, Moore, Leonard, etc. and it almost looks "inadequate", scalp-wise.

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Old 02-08-2013, 06:03 PM   #53
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How about Walker...what are the arguments for placing him top 10? I have always placed him in the 15 neighborhood. I am not disagreeing, just asking for a comparrison of why you would/wouldn't place him top 10?
Depth of resume I'd imagine. Probably the best fighter to ever compete as far as a size handicap goes.
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How about Walker...what are the arguments for placing him top 10? I have always placed him in the 15 neighborhood. I am not disagreeing, just asking for a comparrison of why you would/wouldn't place him top 10?
When it comes down to the true "Pound-for-Pound" concept -- I can't think of anyone who epitomizes that more than Mickey Walker and Bob Fitzsimmons. (Maybe the Barbados Demon too?)

This guy was on top of the WW division for 3 years (4 years altogether) then jumps all the way up to LHW and outpoints Mike McTigue for the title. From what I've found, he was on top of the WW or MW divisions, respectively, for at least 9 straight years. And even cracked the heavyweight's top 5 in '31 -- without ever weighing more than 170 lbs! (Before 1932.)

9 years of divisional dominance (WW, MW) all whilst fluctuating LHW and HW opponents is good enough for top-10 in my eyes.

And he knocked out a former top-10 HW (Arthur De Kuh) who outweighed him by a mind-boggling 48 lbs -- in under 2 minutes!
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Old 02-09-2013, 02:08 AM   #55
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I like that. Charles; I'm still trying to grasp more. (For some reason.)

I'd presume your top-4 are all interchangable? Why no Pep?
Top 5 are interchangable. Funny, Pep makes it more often than not but he'd be in the 11-16 with Louis, Canzoneri, Gans, Fitz and Walcott and any of those could be in the 8-10 spot depending on what mood I'm in

EDIT: Chuck Ray Leonard into that mix as well.
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Old 02-09-2013, 11:14 AM   #56
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Top 5 are interchangable. Funny, Pep makes it more often than not but he'd be in the 11-16 with Louis, Canzoneri, Gans, Fitz and Walcott and any of those could be in the 8-10 spot depending on what mood I'm in

EDIT: Chuck Ray Leonard into that mix as well.

Good. Good post. What about Ross did it for you to put him above that 11-16 group you mentioned?
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The title.
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Just for you.
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Edited! Now let me have it...
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